Tol-in-Gaurhoth XIII: Enter Shamville - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

tar-ancalime · 11-20-2005, 08:31 PM

Good heavens! I can't remember when I've had so much fun...with the computer on.

Fantastic game, everyone!

Wilwa, what a great job you did as Seer! (Also, good job waiting so long to dream of me...) Wow.

A few words of explanation from the wolvish perspective:

It's true that Wayne pegged Wilwa as the Seer on the very first Night. I don't know how he knew, and I sort of wish Kitanna and I had believed him!

We chose Kuruharan as our first kill because he was a smart player who had as yet said little, leaving no trail to us. Kath the next night was for the same reason.

The next night was tough--we didn't know if we should go for Wilwa and potentially lose out, or try to get someone else and give the Seer another dream. We chose Celuien because she was another like Kath and Kuru that wouldn't lead directly to us; also I had a suspicion she might be Gifted.

The next night--well, it was obvious what had to be done.

After that, being on my own as I was, I was necessarily thinking of the Cursed Villager. But I couldn't really strategize for that, of course, so I took out Firefoot, who hadn't stopped calling for my head since the second DAY.

Now, as to the other side of things: the lynchings.

We knew that one of us would be caught eventually; we supposed (rightly) that it would be Wayne. So he jsut went ahead and played his usual game, and eventually it went as we had thought. No real surprises there, I think.

But I HAD NO IDEA that you would follow me and vote for Kitanna! When that happened I was sure it was all over. I voted for her because I thought Lalaith was going to get lynched, and since I had to vote early I wanted to do something "safe" (as in, not get someone killed), while not being accused of bandwagoning.

Most of the credit for good strategy must go to my fellow wolf, Kitanna. From my point of view there was a great increase in the number of wolf-blunders after her untimely demise.

Eonwe, I went along and voted Lalaith on the last day as you asked, but Gurthang is right--if it had been allowed to happen that way, Lalaith could have hunted you, leaving all three of us dead and the Jester victorious.

Anyway, this was likely my last game (only my second game, alas!) because all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding, I do have a job that demands my attention at least some of the time, and Mr. gaur-ancalime is getting tired of staring at the back of my head in the evenings. So I'm very glad that it was such a well-played game on all sides!

Eonwe · 11-20-2005, 08:51 PM

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Eonwe, I went along and voted Lalaith on the last day as you asked, but Gurthang is right--if it had been allowed to happen that way, Lalaith could have hunted you, leaving all three of us dead and the Jester victorious.

ooo, i totally missed that about the hunter getting a kill if they're lynched. that would have been teh biggest irony of the entire game: everyone dying but ang! glad that didn't happen though.

when i found out i was the cursed, i sent a couple frantic pm's to gurthang and spawn asking about different senarios, but didn't get to look at teh answers until my morning (after teh day ended).

littlemanpoet · 11-20-2005, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tar-ancalime

But I HAD NO IDEA that you would follow me and vote for Kitanna! When that happened I was sure it was all over. I voted for her because I thought Lalaith was going to get lynched, and since I had to vote early I wanted to do something "safe" (as in, not get someone killed), while not being accused of bandwagoning.

But your logic was quite persuasive. Go and use Occam's Razor that well, and you'll have LMP following your vote. And anybody who thought that I might be onto something, well, there you have it.

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Originally Posted by Eonwe

ooo, i totally missed that about the hunter getting a kill if they're lynched. that would have been teh biggest irony of the entire game: everyone dying but ang! glad that didn't happen though.

I actually thought up a scenario in which the Moderator wins. I explained it Firefoot, but I'm not sure I can reproduce it now.

Lalaith's the Hunter, therefore the only known innocent;
Tar's the known werewolf;
leaving Ang and Eonwe as the two in doubt.

Tar gets lynched (but there, I forgot that the cursed would vote with tar), and the remaining werewolf would take out Ang during the Night; then Lal the Hunter and the remaining werewolf are the only two left, and kill each other. Result: Moderator wins! Yay!

Oh well, that not being possible, I like how it ended.

Warning: gloat post coming soon.

littlemanpoet · 11-20-2005, 09:11 PM

Actually, I collected this set of quotes as possibilities for my next sig, but it works as a quick (ahemLMPcenteredahem) summary of WW13. Enjoy....

Yes, very good plan there Lmp. Except for one thing, you are now not so innocent in my eyes. - Glirdan

littlemanpoet is developing some strange habits. - Kuruharan

littlemanpoet - perhaps he's losing buissiness? needs to fill up that grave yard of his perhaps? - Wilwa

littlemanpoet - i don't trust him. He works in a grave. He might want to kill people to fill in those empty graves of his - Glirdan

I must note that littlemanpoet has been talking...a lot. This is not necessarily bad. In fact, it might be good. On the other hand, it might indicate he is unduly excited about...something. - Kuruharan

littlemanpoet - Waaay too many posts - Kath

The undertaker is moonstruck in more ways than one if he seeks answers in the logic of a fool. - Anguirel

While I have about half-a-dozen wild wolf-voting-for-wolf accusations on my tongue relating particularly to my old chum LMP and to tar-ancalime, I can't believe that the villagers would be stupid enough to lynch their only fool, in Mandos' name. - Anguirel

On my watch list is LMP, who worries me. Mind you, he has a history of worrying me. - Lalaith

"LMP sleeps on the same "bed" the corpse was laid out on" - I'll be dreaming of something far worse than new plans after that little "too-much-information" nugget. Ew. - Lalaith

Excuse me, Mr Undertaker, who died and made you King of Shamville? - Lalaith

I'll be back later with more analysis, and you can be sure that it will be just as cool, just as reasoned, and just as honest as before. - gaur-ancalime - WW13

I don't want to let lmp's obvious disdain for my approach to cloud my judgement. - tar ancalime

LMP, all this heavily dropped "lynch me and you'll regret it" nonsense implicates you still further. - Anguirel

If you are not a wolf, LMP, you will die tonight. You're a dead investment. A sunk equity. A safe vote. - Anguirel, Day Two of WW13 & so the gloating begins.....

As for lmp himself, I am puzzled. He seems to have two faces: one accusatory, argumentative, and unyielding (as in the discussion of time zones yesterDAY); and the other genuinely puzzled, bemused, willing to change his mind, and trying to save our poor village. - tar-ancalime

and no corpses on my dais, Mr funny-business Undertaker - Lalaith

Lalaith has been characterized as a Jekyll/Hyde villager, but I think the appellation is more apt for our undertaker. - tar

But as tar-ancalime suggested, we need to destroy the principle viper first, so my primary target will remain LMP - Anguirel

And littlemanpoet-a fool's curse on ye if you've played me false. - Anguirel ..... (speak of the pot calling the kettle black!)

Back to the lmp conundrum...While too noisy to be the Seer, I think he's also too noisy to be a smart wolf. - Celuien

man, we so should have followed through with lmp's plan and lynched glirdan. - Eonwe

Ah yes, remember the stalwart Undertaker and his plans, supposedly to provoke discussion, that sank one by one! Note that he's leaning towards Lalaith. Oh yes, I'm onto my old quarry again... - Anguirel

I'm frantically searching for any excuse to get LMP lynched - Anguirel

I think the undertaker is probably quite right, and I am likely quite wrong, considering my past record. However, for the sake of tradition, I intend to do my utmost to get him hanged.... And then there's the fact that the village is guaranteed victory in any case, and it would be so much nicer if we could be saved by the guidance of someone other than the astute but frightfully self-important littlemanpoet... - Anguirel

Oh, and LMP, the obvious reason why the wolf didn't kill me is that the wolf is you, and you knew I would kill you. - Lalaith

and supposeing that the cursed villagers is among us (horrors, it could be me!), we kill lmp, the wolf takes down the cursed, and we lose. i certainly don't want the wolf to pull that out of her hat. that would be to embarrasing, after teh immense lead we have today. - Eonwe

For what it's worth, I would rather lynch LMP or Glirdan than tar-a. But then I completely failed to spot Kitanna's wolfishness, so what do I know? - Lalaith

LMP is suspected by Anguirel (probably out of sheer devilry) - Lalaith

Quite right, dear Miss Goosey. If LMP is a wolf I'll be pleased but extremely surprised. - Anguirel

Well-despite everything-I must admit I don't really think LMP is a wolf after all! - Anguirel

In one rank the four walked towards littlemanpoet who stood on the other side of the village square glaring at the villagers half smugly, knowing that they would have to admit their mistake, and half peevishly, knowing that he himself would not be able to see that moment. ... "Now listen, you idiots, do you really want to fill the three graves I dug today? This is insane, you are a useless bunch of twits!" littlemanpoet hissed. - Spawn's descrip

I, the jester, would alone survive! I would be lord of the village! I would dance on the corpses! JESTER WINS! But it was not to be. ... I've repented. - Anguirel

How you can talk about honour, though, without blushing, I do not know. I too was a fool, but I was an honest fool, I thought LMP was a wolf - Lalaith

At least I've learnt a lesson. If you're a Villager, there's no point in carrying out Machiavellian schemes against the world. LMP has had his vengeance from beyond the grave. Ah well. - Anguirel

Glirdan · 11-20-2005, 09:47 PM

The irony of my sig is that later that Day Lmp goes and votes for me and I get lynched. I still can't get over that. And now on to the question I've been dying to ask, why exactly did some of you vote for me that Day?

11-20-2005, 08:31 PM	#1
tar-ancalime Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: abaft the beam Posts: 303	Good heavens! I can't remember when I've had so much fun...with the computer on. Fantastic game, everyone! Wilwa, what a great job you did as Seer! (Also, good job waiting so long to dream of me...) Wow. A few words of explanation from the wolvish perspective: It's true that Wayne pegged Wilwa as the Seer on the very first Night. I don't know how he knew, and I sort of wish Kitanna and I had believed him! We chose Kuruharan as our first kill because he was a smart player who had as yet said little, leaving no trail to us. Kath the next night was for the same reason. The next night was tough--we didn't know if we should go for Wilwa and potentially lose out, or try to get someone else and give the Seer another dream. We chose Celuien because she was another like Kath and Kuru that wouldn't lead directly to us; also I had a suspicion she might be Gifted. The next night--well, it was obvious what had to be done. After that, being on my own as I was, I was necessarily thinking of the Cursed Villager. But I couldn't really strategize for that, of course, so I took out Firefoot, who hadn't stopped calling for my head since the second DAY. Now, as to the other side of things: the lynchings. We knew that one of us would be caught eventually; we supposed (rightly) that it would be Wayne. So he jsut went ahead and played his usual game, and eventually it went as we had thought. No real surprises there, I think. But I HAD NO IDEA that you would follow me and vote for Kitanna! When that happened I was sure it was all over. I voted for her because I thought Lalaith was going to get lynched, and since I had to vote early I wanted to do something "safe" (as in, not get someone killed), while not being accused of bandwagoning. Most of the credit for good strategy must go to my fellow wolf, Kitanna. From my point of view there was a great increase in the number of wolf-blunders after her untimely demise. Eonwe, I went along and voted Lalaith on the last day as you asked, but Gurthang is right--if it had been allowed to happen that way, Lalaith could have hunted you, leaving all three of us dead and the Jester victorious. Anyway, this was likely my last game (only my second game, alas!) because all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding, I do have a job that demands my attention at least some of the time, and Mr. gaur-ancalime is getting tired of staring at the back of my head in the evenings. So I'm very glad that it was such a well-played game on all sides! __________________ Having fun wolfing it to the bitter end, I see, gaur-ancalime (lmp, ww13)

11-20-2005, 09:11 PM	#4
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Gloat Post, as promised Actually, I collected this set of quotes as possibilities for my next sig, but it works as a quick (ahemLMPcenteredahem) summary of WW13. Enjoy.... Yes, very good plan there Lmp. Except for one thing, you are now not so innocent in my eyes. - Glirdan littlemanpoet is developing some strange habits. - Kuruharan littlemanpoet - perhaps he's losing buissiness? needs to fill up that grave yard of his perhaps? - Wilwa littlemanpoet - i don't trust him. He works in a grave. He might want to kill people to fill in those empty graves of his - Glirdan I must note that littlemanpoet has been talking...a lot. This is not necessarily bad. In fact, it might be good. On the other hand, it might indicate he is unduly excited about...something. - Kuruharan littlemanpoet - Waaay too many posts - Kath The undertaker is moonstruck in more ways than one if he seeks answers in the logic of a fool. - Anguirel While I have about half-a-dozen wild wolf-voting-for-wolf accusations on my tongue relating particularly to my old chum LMP and to tar-ancalime, I can't believe that the villagers would be stupid enough to lynch their only fool, in Mandos' name. - Anguirel On my watch list is LMP, who worries me. Mind you, he has a history of worrying me. - Lalaith "LMP sleeps on the same "bed" the corpse was laid out on" - I'll be dreaming of something far worse than new plans after that little "too-much-information" nugget. Ew. - Lalaith Excuse me, Mr Undertaker, who died and made you King of Shamville? - Lalaith I'll be back later with more analysis, and you can be sure that it will be just as cool, just as reasoned, and just as honest as before. - gaur-ancalime - WW13 I don't want to let lmp's obvious disdain for my approach to cloud my judgement. - tar ancalime LMP, all this heavily dropped "lynch me and you'll regret it" nonsense implicates you still further. - Anguirel If you are not a wolf, LMP, you will die tonight. You're a dead investment. A sunk equity. A safe vote. - Anguirel, Day Two of WW13 & so the gloating begins..... As for lmp himself, I am puzzled. He seems to have two faces: one accusatory, argumentative, and unyielding (as in the discussion of time zones yesterDAY); and the other genuinely puzzled, bemused, willing to change his mind, and trying to save our poor village. - tar-ancalime and no corpses on my dais, Mr funny-business Undertaker - Lalaith Lalaith has been characterized as a Jekyll/Hyde villager, but I think the appellation is more apt for our undertaker. - tar But as tar-ancalime suggested, we need to destroy the principle viper first, so my primary target will remain LMP - Anguirel And littlemanpoet-a fool's curse on ye if you've played me false. - Anguirel ..... (speak of the pot calling the kettle black!) Back to the lmp conundrum...While too noisy to be the Seer, I think he's also too noisy to be a smart wolf. - Celuien man, we so should have followed through with lmp's plan and lynched glirdan. - Eonwe Ah yes, remember the stalwart Undertaker and his plans, supposedly to provoke discussion, that sank one by one! Note that he's leaning towards Lalaith. Oh yes, I'm onto my old quarry again... - Anguirel I'm frantically searching for any excuse to get LMP lynched - Anguirel I think the undertaker is probably quite right, and I am likely quite wrong, considering my past record. However, for the sake of tradition, I intend to do my utmost to get him hanged.... And then there's the fact that the village is guaranteed victory in any case, and it would be so much nicer if we could be saved by the guidance of someone other than the astute but frightfully self-important littlemanpoet... - Anguirel Oh, and LMP, the obvious reason why the wolf didn't kill me is that the wolf is you, and you knew I would kill you. - Lalaith and supposeing that the cursed villagers is among us (horrors, it could be me!), we kill lmp, the wolf takes down the cursed, and we lose. i certainly don't want the wolf to pull that out of her hat. that would be to embarrasing, after teh immense lead we have today. - Eonwe For what it's worth, I would rather lynch LMP or Glirdan than tar-a. But then I completely failed to spot Kitanna's wolfishness, so what do I know? - Lalaith LMP is suspected by Anguirel (probably out of sheer devilry) - Lalaith Quite right, dear Miss Goosey. If LMP is a wolf I'll be pleased but extremely surprised. - Anguirel Well-despite everything-I must admit I don't really think LMP is a wolf after all! - Anguirel In one rank the four walked towards littlemanpoet who stood on the other side of the village square glaring at the villagers half smugly, knowing that they would have to admit their mistake, and half peevishly, knowing that he himself would not be able to see that moment. ... "Now listen, you idiots, do you really want to fill the three graves I dug today? This is insane, you are a useless bunch of twits!" littlemanpoet hissed. - Spawn's descrip I, the jester, would alone survive! I would be lord of the village! I would dance on the corpses! JESTER WINS! But it was not to be. ... I've repented. - Anguirel How you can talk about honour, though, without blushing, I do not know. I too was a fool, but I was an honest fool, I thought LMP was a wolf - Lalaith At least I've learnt a lesson. If you're a Villager, there's no point in carrying out Machiavellian schemes against the world. LMP has had his vengeance from beyond the grave. Ah well. - Anguirel

11-20-2005, 09:47 PM	#5
Glirdan Energetic Essence Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where Lark Nor Eagle Ever Flew Posts: 3,285	The irony of my sig is that later that Day Lmp goes and votes for me and I get lynched. I still can't get over that. And now on to the question I've been dying to ask, why exactly did some of you vote for me that Day? __________________ *I'm going to buy you a kitty, I'm going to let you fall in love with the kitty, and one cold, winter night, I'm going to steal into your house and punch you in the face!* Fenris Wolf