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Tuor of Gondolin · 11-17-2005, 07:01 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if some of that dwarf testiness
and holding a grudge was instilled by Aule, so
+ + Aule

**The Saucepan Man** · 11-17-2005, 10:46 AM

That sourpuss Mandos gets my vote for Vala most likely to counsel inaction in response to Earendil's plea. He seems to care the least for the travails of Middle-earth's residents and his pronouncements are generally filled only with gloom for them. Less Doom mongering and more active guidance/assistance would make life much easier for them.

Of course, his eviction would beg the question of whom will take responsibility for his Halls. But I am sure that some of the other Valar can step. Lorien and Este, for example, would make it a much more cheery place and instil a much more relaxed regime.

So Mandos' eviction could well have siginificant benefits, in addition to the task at hand.

++ MANDOS

I never liked the guy anyway.

Lalaith · 11-17-2005, 12:10 PM

I agree about the Mandos stuff but there's a part of me that would quite like to kick off the dreary tie-dye tree-hugger, Yavanna. She's no friend of Men or Dwarves.
But I think Mandos seems to be the consensus.
++MANDOS

**The Saucepan Man** · 11-17-2005, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lalaith

... but there's a part of me that would quite like to kick off the dreary tie-dye tree-hugger, Yavanna.

But Lalaith, she's female ...

There is an argument for evicting Yavanna, however. Since the Trees were her creation, and the Silmarils are all that remains of their light, she is the most likely to insist upon the return of a Silmaril in return for aid. And that is a condition with which Earendil, in this parallel Silmarillion universe, cannot comply.

So, yes, I would be willing to consider changing my vote to Yavanna ...

Anguirel · 11-17-2005, 12:30 PM

I am intrigued and amused by the drive against drippy Yavanna.

And with the destruction of Arien and Tilion's crafts, Saucie has an excellent point.

++YAVANNA

**The Saucepan Man** · 11-17-2005, 12:34 PM

Oh, go on then, I'll make an exception just this once and vote with the Angmod.

-- MANDOS
++ YAVANNA

Lalaith · 11-17-2005, 06:00 PM

---Mandos

++Yavanna

11-17-2005, 07:01 AM	#1
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	I wouldn't be surprised if some of that dwarf testiness and holding a grudge was instilled by Aule, so + + Aule __________________ Aure Entuluva!

11-17-2005, 10:46 AM	#2
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	That sourpuss Mandos gets my vote for Vala most likely to counsel inaction in response to Earendil's plea. He seems to care the least for the travails of Middle-earth's residents and his pronouncements are generally filled only with gloom for them. Less Doom mongering and more active guidance/assistance would make life much easier for them. Of course, his eviction would beg the question of whom will take responsibility for his Halls. But I am sure that some of the other Valar can step. Lorien and Este, for example, would make it a much more cheery place and instil a much more relaxed regime. So Mandos' eviction could well have siginificant benefits, in addition to the task at hand. ++ MANDOS I never liked the guy anyway. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

11-17-2005, 12:10 PM	#3
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	I agree about the Mandos stuff but there's a part of me that would quite like to kick off the dreary tie-dye tree-hugger, Yavanna. She's no friend of Men or Dwarves. But I think Mandos seems to be the consensus. ++MANDOS __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

11-17-2005, 12:30 PM	#5
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	I am intrigued and amused by the drive against drippy Yavanna. And with the destruction of Arien and Tilion's crafts, Saucie has an excellent point. ++YAVANNA __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

11-17-2005, 12:34 PM	#6
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Oh, go on then, I'll make an exception just this once and vote with the Angmod. -- MANDOS ++ YAVANNA __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

11-17-2005, 06:00 PM	#7
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	---Mandos ++Yavanna __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling