The Silmarillion Survivor - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Tuor of Gondolin · 11-15-2005, 11:29 AM

Here's a suggestion for future Survivor's, make of it what
anyone will. Since a large cast of characters is called for,
how about designating 20 or so as "Survivors", of which
only one per DAY could be voted off. Wouldn't that be
closer to the spirit of Survivor? Other, non-offical "Survivors"
(like the people of Laketown, could be eliminated at any time).

To pick an easy hypothetical example (The Hobbit) Survivors
might come from Thorin and Company (14), Gandalf, Smaug, Beorn,
The Necromancer, The King of the Goblins, The leader of the
wargs, the Stone Trolls, Thranduil, a Giant Spider, Bard, and
the Master of Laketown.

The 1,000 Reader · 11-16-2005, 12:55 AM

Keep this thread alive until Ang can come back. For now, let's discuss the theories we've made up during the game.

Anguirel · 11-16-2005, 12:08 PM

1000 reader me old sport...I'm back! And not before time, you might say...

RESULTS OF DAY SIXTEEN

Two enclaves of Elvendom alone survived, Sirion and Ossiriand; and the Silmaril of Elwing threatened to engulf them both in destruction. The Lord Earendil had sailed into the West, hoping to find aid in distant Valinor.

A messenger from Maedhros, High King of the Noldor, arrived at the Havens. Maedhros informed the Lady Elwing that her family was avenged, and sent her the helm of Telchar as proof. He further said that she owed her Silmaril to the prowess of Feanor's line, and requested that it be delivered.

The court at Sirion was in confusion. Gil-Galad, the King of Sirion, advised that the Silmaril be delivered on condition that the House of Feanor abandon the Kingship of the Noldor to him; and Celebrian agreed. Cirdan remembered the war between Celegorm and Dior, and counselled that the Silmaril should be thrown into the Sea to end the strife. Mablung advised a flat refusal.

At last Elwing made her decision. The gem would be given specifically to the peacable Maglor, not his mighty brother, and only on condition that Gil-Galad receive the High Kingship. But Mablung was not satisfied. He drew his sword in the Lady Elwing's presence and seized the Silmaril; but it burnt him as it had burnt at Morgoth, Curufin, Dior and Telchar. Dumb with pain, he ran from the palace and hurled himself over a cliff.

RESULTS OF THE CHALLENGE

The terms of Elwing disquieted the sos of Feanor; for Maglor had no wish for the jewel, and Maedhros regarded Gil-Galad as an upstart. But Maglor gently reminded Maedhros of the Oath, and how it would be better to achieve it by peace than by more fruitless war.

Maedhros was sorely tempted to take the Silmaril when it arrived; and so he bade his soldiers bind him in chains, so that he would not be overcome by madness as Maglor received it. Truly, Maglor's right was unsullied, and it filled the second son of Feanor with radiance; and Maedhros conquered himself. The Crown of the High King was sent to Sirion; but a messenger dropped it and it fell into the Sea. Maedhros and Gil-Galad took this as an omen, and ruled as equals from then on, King of Ossiriand and King of Sirion. And when Elrond was of age, and was inclined to music and lore, Elwing sent him to study under Maglor.

Morgoth, seeing his designs had gone awry, grew wondrous wroth and called the mightiest of the dragons to him, now under Smaug the Magnificent, whose armour was like tenfold shields...and many, many, Orcs. He planned to reclaim the third jewel and slaughter the Elves and remaining Men in Brethil and Dor-Lomin.

Meanwhile, Earendil was met by figures out of distant legend-the Valkyries of the Vanyar, led by Indis and Amarie! They told him that in Valinor, all was still disorder...yet he had to raise some help...and they guided him to the blessed shores.

It's Day Seventeen Google in Valinor! The contestants:

Tribes

VALAR

Ulmo
Aule
Tulkas
Namo aka Mandos
Orome
Lorien
Varda
Yavanna
Nienna
Este
Vana
Vaire
Nessa

MAIA

Uinen
Olorin
Alatar
Pallando

VANYAR

Indis
Amarie

PEREDHIL

Earendil

Challenge the seventeeth: don't worry, most of those Valar will be off the scene again soon. Now-REINFORCEMENTS. Help Earendil get some of those Valinorian types on his side.

Gothmog · 11-16-2005, 02:12 PM

I guess this is a question of who among Valar will be most reluctant to send the host to the aid of Elves and Men?

It's not Tulkas for sure. He'll be longing for a wrestle with that old Melkor-guy. Ulmo should also be one of those most inclined to send help to M-E, he was one of few who never abandoned it fully. Orome has always been a great hunter of dark creatures so I think he, too, would like a battle vs Melkor. Varda and the Elves has this special bond. She would definitely want to help them.

But Mandos on the other hand, he's always been kind of dull and unhelpful. I wouldn't be surprised if he refused to help the Children of Iluvatar now. After all, he wouldn't like to see the work of his Doom come to nothing. He's one possible candidate.

And what about Aule? His beloved Dwarfes has recently been slain by the Elves and it wouldn't surprise me if he held a grudge towards them now. Why help someone who cut down your children because of some stone? But on the other hand, he if someone should appreciate a nice jewel...

I think I'll be going for either Mandos or Aule, if there's not a better option presented.

The 1,000 Reader · 11-17-2005, 01:15 AM

++Mandos.

Gothmog has said my reasoning.

Tuor of Gondolin · 11-17-2005, 07:01 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if some of that dwarf testiness
and holding a grudge was instilled by Aule, so
+ + Aule

**The Saucepan Man** · 11-17-2005, 10:46 AM

That sourpuss Mandos gets my vote for Vala most likely to counsel inaction in response to Earendil's plea. He seems to care the least for the travails of Middle-earth's residents and his pronouncements are generally filled only with gloom for them. Less Doom mongering and more active guidance/assistance would make life much easier for them.

Of course, his eviction would beg the question of whom will take responsibility for his Halls. But I am sure that some of the other Valar can step. Lorien and Este, for example, would make it a much more cheery place and instil a much more relaxed regime.

So Mandos' eviction could well have siginificant benefits, in addition to the task at hand.

++ MANDOS

I never liked the guy anyway.

11-15-2005, 11:29 AM	#1
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	Here's a suggestion for future Survivor's, make of it what anyone will. Since a large cast of characters is called for, how about designating 20 or so as "Survivors", of which only one per DAY could be voted off. Wouldn't that be closer to the spirit of Survivor? Other, non-offical "Survivors" (like the people of Laketown, could be eliminated at any time). To pick an easy hypothetical example (The Hobbit) Survivors might come from Thorin and Company (14), Gandalf, Smaug, Beorn, The Necromancer, The King of the Goblins, The leader of the wargs, the Stone Trolls, Thranduil, a Giant Spider, Bard, and the Master of Laketown. __________________ Aure Entuluva!

11-16-2005, 12:55 AM	#2
The 1,000 Reader Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: I don't know. Eastern ME doesn't have maps. Posts: 527	Keep this thread alive until Ang can come back. For now, let's discuss the theories we've made up during the game. __________________ "And forth went Morgoth, and he was halted by the elves. Then went Sauron, who was stopped by a dog and then aged men. Finally, there came the Witch-King, who destroyed Arnor, but nobody seems to remember that." -A History of Villains

11-16-2005, 12:08 PM	#3
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	1000 reader me old sport...I'm back! And not before time, you might say... RESULTS OF DAY SIXTEEN Two enclaves of Elvendom alone survived, Sirion and Ossiriand; and the Silmaril of Elwing threatened to engulf them both in destruction. The Lord Earendil had sailed into the West, hoping to find aid in distant Valinor. A messenger from Maedhros, High King of the Noldor, arrived at the Havens. Maedhros informed the Lady Elwing that her family was avenged, and sent her the helm of Telchar as proof. He further said that she owed her Silmaril to the prowess of Feanor's line, and requested that it be delivered. The court at Sirion was in confusion. Gil-Galad, the King of Sirion, advised that the Silmaril be delivered on condition that the House of Feanor abandon the Kingship of the Noldor to him; and Celebrian agreed. Cirdan remembered the war between Celegorm and Dior, and counselled that the Silmaril should be thrown into the Sea to end the strife. Mablung advised a flat refusal. At last Elwing made her decision. The gem would be given specifically to the peacable Maglor, not his mighty brother, and only on condition that Gil-Galad receive the High Kingship. But Mablung was not satisfied. He drew his sword in the Lady Elwing's presence and seized the Silmaril; but it burnt him as it had burnt at Morgoth, Curufin, Dior and Telchar. Dumb with pain, he ran from the palace and hurled himself over a cliff. RESULTS OF THE CHALLENGE The terms of Elwing disquieted the sos of Feanor; for Maglor had no wish for the jewel, and Maedhros regarded Gil-Galad as an upstart. But Maglor gently reminded Maedhros of the Oath, and how it would be better to achieve it by peace than by more fruitless war. Maedhros was sorely tempted to take the Silmaril when it arrived; and so he bade his soldiers bind him in chains, so that he would not be overcome by madness as Maglor received it. Truly, Maglor's right was unsullied, and it filled the second son of Feanor with radiance; and Maedhros conquered himself. The Crown of the High King was sent to Sirion; but a messenger dropped it and it fell into the Sea. Maedhros and Gil-Galad took this as an omen, and ruled as equals from then on, King of Ossiriand and King of Sirion. And when Elrond was of age, and was inclined to music and lore, Elwing sent him to study under Maglor. Morgoth, seeing his designs had gone awry, grew wondrous wroth and called the mightiest of the dragons to him, now under Smaug the Magnificent, whose armour was like tenfold shields...and many, many, Orcs. He planned to reclaim the third jewel and slaughter the Elves and remaining Men in Brethil and Dor-Lomin. Meanwhile, Earendil was met by figures out of distant legend-the Valkyries of the Vanyar, led by Indis and Amarie! They told him that in Valinor, all was still disorder...yet he had to raise some help...and they guided him to the blessed shores. It's Day Seventeen Google in Valinor! The contestants: Tribes VALAR Ulmo Aule Tulkas Namo aka Mandos Orome Lorien Varda Yavanna Nienna Este Vana Vaire Nessa MAIA Uinen Olorin Alatar Pallando VANYAR Indis Amarie PEREDHIL Earendil Challenge the seventeeth: don't worry, most of those Valar will be off the scene again soon. Now-REINFORCEMENTS. Help Earendil get some of those Valinorian types on his side. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

11-16-2005, 02:12 PM	#4
Gothmog Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Where I lay my head is home Posts: 421	I guess this is a question of who among Valar will be most reluctant to send the host to the aid of Elves and Men? It's not Tulkas for sure. He'll be longing for a wrestle with that old Melkor-guy. Ulmo should also be one of those most inclined to send help to M-E, he was one of few who never abandoned it fully. Orome has always been a great hunter of dark creatures so I think he, too, would like a battle vs Melkor. Varda and the Elves has this special bond. She would definitely want to help them. But Mandos on the other hand, he's always been kind of dull and unhelpful. I wouldn't be surprised if he refused to help the Children of Iluvatar now. After all, he wouldn't like to see the work of his Doom come to nothing. He's one possible candidate. And what about Aule? His beloved Dwarfes has recently been slain by the Elves and it wouldn't surprise me if he held a grudge towards them now. Why help someone who cut down your children because of some stone? But on the other hand, he if someone should appreciate a nice jewel... I think I'll be going for either Mandos or Aule, if there's not a better option presented. __________________ Three switched witches watch three Swatch watch switches. Which switched witch watch which Swatch watch switch? He who breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom ~Lurker...

11-17-2005, 01:15 AM	#5
The 1,000 Reader Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: I don't know. Eastern ME doesn't have maps. Posts: 527	++Mandos. Gothmog has said my reasoning. __________________ "And forth went Morgoth, and he was halted by the elves. Then went Sauron, who was stopped by a dog and then aged men. Finally, there came the Witch-King, who destroyed Arnor, but nobody seems to remember that." -A History of Villains

11-17-2005, 07:01 AM	#6
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	I wouldn't be surprised if some of that dwarf testiness and holding a grudge was instilled by Aule, so + + Aule __________________ Aure Entuluva!

11-17-2005, 10:46 AM	#7
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	That sourpuss Mandos gets my vote for Vala most likely to counsel inaction in response to Earendil's plea. He seems to care the least for the travails of Middle-earth's residents and his pronouncements are generally filled only with gloom for them. Less Doom mongering and more active guidance/assistance would make life much easier for them. Of course, his eviction would beg the question of whom will take responsibility for his Halls. But I am sure that some of the other Valar can step. Lorien and Este, for example, would make it a much more cheery place and instil a much more relaxed regime. So Mandos' eviction could well have siginificant benefits, in addition to the task at hand. ++ MANDOS I never liked the guy anyway. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!