Tol-in-Gaurhoth XIII: Enter Shamville - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 11-12-2005, 03:00 PM

"Happy hunting, you double-faced carnivore"

The villagers had caught their first werewolf last evening, but there were still two lycanthropes around, and it was clear that they were furiously eager to avenge their fallen comrade. When a new day dawned, there were only nine people left in Shamville. To the surprise of the villagers (and to the relief of the persons concerned), both Firefoot and Anguirel were quite alive, though. "But where is Celuien!" Wilwarin cried out. It was true, there was one luthier less on the village square than yesterday.

Presto prestissimo the villagers rushed to Celuien's workshop where she used to build and repair different instruments. The band stepped inside, and in a heap of sawdust they found Celuien. A deep wound on her temple and splinters on the floor revealed that she had been hit on the head with her own mandolin. The stroke had been fatal both to the instrument and Celuien. As though for a final finishing, a violin's bow had been thrust molto violente through her stomach.

"Alas! Poor Celuien, she was so sound a girl", littlemanpoet lamented.

"Yes, always longing for harmony", Kitanna sobbed.

"And she was our Ranger!" tar-ancalime breathed pointing to the back of the room.

On the wall beside all the lutes and viguelas, there hung a quiver full of arrows and a longbow. "Maybe she was just an avid, umm... duck-hunter", Lalaith tried to suggest. But, of course, a name badge with "ranger" written on it and a sleek spandex outfit with an embroidered "R" on the chest, which Glirdan and Eonwe soon found, kind of ruined the theory. The villagers looked at each other devastated. There was no one who would protect them now.

Living:
Anguirel - jester
Eonwe - militiaman
Firefoot - traveller who has a dog
Glirdan - undead with Michael Jackson's nose
Kitanna - goat herder
Lalaith - goosegirl
littlemanpoet - village undertaker
tar-ancalime - charlatan
Wilwarin538 - official town daydreamer

Dead:
dancing spawn of ungoliant(mod) - mangled, tangled and strangled in fishing nets on Night 1
Bergil(ord) - hanged to death with profitable consequences on Day 1
Kuruharan(ord) - half devoured and prepared to be turned into haggis on Night 2
Meneltarmacil(ord) - sat on, roasted, minced and boiled by three passing by trolls on Day 2
Kath(ord) - chopped up and organized alphabetically on Night 3
WaynetheGoblin(wolf) - burned to death on Day 3
Celuien(ranger) - mauled with musical instruments on Night 4

Score:
Villagers: 9
Wolves: 2

It is now Day 4. Wolves, please stop PMing. Villagers, you may start discussing. The Day ends in 24 hours at 9:00 pm. GMT. Have a nice Day!

littlemanpoet · 11-12-2005, 03:30 PM

Celuien? What the devil? What are these werewolves up to? Okay, they couldn't go after the seer, which we have strong evidence is Wilwa, but stronger is needed in a confession from Wilwa as to whom she drempt of last night, and whether that person is werewolf or innocent. And I figured the werewolves would be going after Firefoot or Anguirel.

The only three reasons I can think of for their choice were:

1) hey, see what LMP thinks, let's prove him wrong so that he looks like a werewolf. But that's almost stupid.

2) Wilwa is not the seer, but a werewolf, and the werewolves have known that Wayne was unlikely to last anyway, so they went for a really bold bluff and have been lucky to pick out believable people as innocent, one of whom may in fact be werewolves, and were going after Celuien because they thought she was the real seer. That definitely does not follow Occam's Razor at all, and seems quite far-fetched to me, because is also means that either Firefoot or Anguirel is the third werewolf, and that just doesn't look at all right. This little hypothesis cannot be ruled completely out of question, but it seems to be way back on a distant back burner.

3) they're thinking in ways that just don't work for me.

Of the three possibilities, number 3 seems the most likely to me, although number 1 has possibilities.

So, Wilwa, who did you dream of last night, and is that individual a werewolf or innocent?

wilwarin538 · 11-12-2005, 03:41 PM

Celuin? Wow, that's definetely a surprise.

I dreamt of Eonwe last Night just as I said I would. He is innocent.

So that leaves us with:

Glirdan
Kitanna
Lalaith
littlemanpoet
tar-ancalime

Two are wolves, two are innocent, and one is the Hunter.

I'm still thinking Kitanna is a wolf. I know my reasoning isn't to strong but I just have this gut feeling she's one of the wolves.

I won't vote now of course, but if I had to it would be for her.

littlemanpoet · 11-12-2005, 04:02 PM

Okay. Thanks, Wilwa. Please accept my apologies for doubting you, Eonwe.

If Wilwa is lying, which I doubt, then she is a werewof, and one of Firefoot, Anguirel, & Eonwe is a werewolf, the other two innocent and being duped like the rest of us. Just noting that as an "aside" hypothesis.

If Wilwa is the seer, then I must take a good hard look at ...

Glirdan
Kitanna
Lalaith
tar-ancalime

... because I know I'm innocent, and anybody who thinks I'm a wolf has greater respect for what I might do as a werewolf than I do.

Let me just bring one thing to everyone's attention, going back to Day One:

On Day One, werewolves are looking for any chance of any innocent saying something that gives them the chance to cast doubt on that individual. Up until my "elect a leader" post, nobody had done that, and I can imagine that the werewolves must have been pretty frustrated up until then. Immediately after my "eal" post, Glirdan hits me with a ferocious attack. Eonwe provides a reasoned analysis, and my response to these two is (1) reasonable with Eonwe, (2) suspicious of Glirdan. Following this, Glirdan backpedals so fast, he disappears into distance. This, my friends, is the most werewolvish behavior I've seen from anyone at all outside of Wayne. I'll take a closer look now at the rest of those still under suspicion.

Firefoot · 11-12-2005, 04:37 PM

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Celuien? What the devil? What are these werewolves up to? Okay, they couldn't go after the seer, which we have strong evidence is Wilwa, but stronger is needed in a confession from Wilwa as to whom she drempt of last night, and whether that person is werewolf or innocent. And I figured the werewolves would be going after Firefoot or Anguirel.

Yeah... what LMP said. The best thing I can think of is that maybe the wolves are going to try and play suspicion off of Wilwa, Ang, and myself.

There is a fourth option that LMP did not mention, and that is that Wilwa is a wolf and that none of Ang, Eonwe, and myself are wolves, but that is seeming pretty far-fetched right now. Right now, I'm pretty comfortable saying that Wilwa really is the Seer.

So of those remaining, I would say that LMP seems the most innocent to me. I'm not too concerned about Kitanna, either (I could probably be persuaded otherwise, though), which would leave at least one, possibly both, wolves between Glirdan, Lalaith, and tar. For one thing, I highly doubt that all three wolves voted for Wilwa on Day 2, which would mean that either Glirdan and/or tar is a wolf. Glirdan is currently more suspicious to me than tar is. Lalaith is definitely confusing me; I had been pretty sure she was innocent. But I would like to see if we couldn't get some pretty good analyses on these five people today. Could be telling.

Glirdan · 11-12-2005, 04:22 PM

Wow!!! This is definetly a shock!!! Celuien, the Ranger. This is not a good thing for the village. But why would the Wolves decide to attack Celuien? Was it purely random? Because there is nothing in the posts that I see that point to the fact that she was the Ranger. Was she hitting close to home on some of her theories and the Wolves felt that they better get rid of her?

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Glirdan backpedals so fast, he disappears into distance.

Care to explain yourself here Lmp? I'm quite confuse at what you mean. And yes I did hit you with a ferocious attack, but what else are you supposed to do when something as suspicious as that pops up? Tell me, what would you have done in my place Lmp?

You are not cleared from suspicion in my mind, not yet. And even though Firefoot, Anguriel and Eonwe have been cleared by Wilwa, we cannot forget the fact that there is still a Cursed amongst us. They are cleared, unless the Wolves are able to get the other lycan with them in which case they will have to be watched once more.

The other one I'm really suspicious of is Lalaith and I thought that a dream here would have been more beneficial. There was really no evidence that Eonwe was a Wolf. A dream for Lalaith, Lmp and myself probably would have beeen more beneficial for us, but now there is no more chance for us to know who's what because it's highly likely that the Wolves are going to go after Wilwa tonight and I'd be very surprised if she wasn't attacked.

Kitanna doesn't seem to suspicious in my eyes and niether does tar, yet I'm still going to watch them

littlemanpoet · 11-12-2005, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Glirdan

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Glirdan backpedals so fast, he disappears into distance.

Care to explain yourself here Lmp? I'm quite confuse at what you mean.

Oh, that was just an expression for visual effect. Just an exaggeration to bring home the point.

wilwarin538 · 11-12-2005, 05:16 PM

I have an idea of maybe why the wolves chose to kill Celuin.

Everyone yesterday wanted the Ranger to protect me, so it was pretty obvious that the wolves weren't even going to and kill me. Maybe they thought that the ranger would not protect me, and protect either Firefoot or Anguirel. Since it was very unlikely the wolves would choose me. So perhaps the wolves couldn't decide between us three who to kill, since they weren't sure of which of us was protected by the Ranger. Then they just chose someone else at random. That person ended up being the Ranger.

Just an idea, it seems to cover everything.

Eonwe · 11-12-2005, 05:49 PM

no time to really post. i've read everything posted today.
current suspects:

kittana

why? i still believe i wasn't on drugs or anything couple nights ago. meaning im pretty darn sure wayne deleted his post naming kittana as a wolf. and would he delete it? rethought an unsubtle move? i dunno. but looking at kittana (especially if you are suspicious already. guess that always helps, as lmp says

) i don't like it. if i was the wolf i would try to defend people i knew would to be innocent. because taht would make me look good. i looked into it couple days ago, and kittana is doing just that. everything she says makes sense, because she's pretty much omnicient when it come to the clearcut wolf or innocent. all she has to do is keep up her retoric, telling people things that are true, but not daming. if you see waht i mean...think - dout! can't do that...

everyone else but lmp and the known innocnets, as for now. i'll try to come up with some kind of analyzis on everyone later on tonight.

two more things: wilwa must be assumed to be the seer now. if she's not, the real seer surely would realize the amount of damage that she would be doing. not to mention wayne...

mmmmm...waht was teh other...can't remember.

11-12-2005, 03:00 PM	#1
dancing spawn of ungoliant Mischievous Candle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: So near to Russia, so far from Japan, quite a long way from Cairo, lots of miles from Vietnam. Posts: 1,234	Day 4 "Happy hunting, you double-faced carnivore" The villagers had caught their first werewolf last evening, but there were still two lycanthropes around, and it was clear that they were furiously eager to avenge their fallen comrade. When a new day dawned, there were only nine people left in Shamville. To the surprise of the villagers (and to the relief of the persons concerned), both Firefoot and Anguirel were quite alive, though. "But where is Celuien!" Wilwarin cried out. It was true, there was one luthier less on the village square than yesterday. Presto prestissimo the villagers rushed to Celuien's workshop where she used to build and repair different instruments. The band stepped inside, and in a heap of sawdust they found Celuien. A deep wound on her temple and splinters on the floor revealed that she had been hit on the head with her own mandolin. The stroke had been fatal both to the instrument and Celuien. As though for a final finishing, a violin's bow had been thrust molto violente through her stomach. "Alas! Poor Celuien, she was so sound a girl", littlemanpoet lamented. "Yes, always longing for harmony", Kitanna sobbed. "And she was our Ranger!" tar-ancalime breathed pointing to the back of the room. On the wall beside all the lutes and viguelas, there hung a quiver full of arrows and a longbow. "Maybe she was just an avid, umm... duck-hunter", Lalaith tried to suggest. But, of course, a name badge with "ranger" written on it and a sleek spandex outfit with an embroidered "R" on the chest, which Glirdan and Eonwe soon found, kind of ruined the theory. The villagers looked at each other devastated. There was no one who would protect them now. Living: Anguirel - jester Eonwe - militiaman Firefoot - traveller who has a dog Glirdan - undead with Michael Jackson's nose Kitanna - goat herder Lalaith - goosegirl littlemanpoet - village undertaker tar-ancalime - charlatan Wilwarin538 - official town daydreamer Dead: dancing spawn of ungoliant(mod) - mangled, tangled and strangled in fishing nets on Night 1 Bergil(ord) - hanged to death with profitable consequences on Day 1 Kuruharan(ord) - half devoured and prepared to be turned into haggis on Night 2 Meneltarmacil(ord) - sat on, roasted, minced and boiled by three passing by trolls on Day 2 Kath(ord) - chopped up and organized alphabetically on Night 3 WaynetheGoblin(wolf) - burned to death on Day 3 Celuien(ranger) - mauled with musical instruments on Night 4 Score: Villagers: 9 Wolves: 2 It is now Day 4. Wolves, please stop PMing. Villagers, you may start discussing. The Day ends in 24 hours at 9:00 pm. GMT. Have a nice Day!

11-12-2005, 03:41 PM	#3
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	Celuin? Wow, that's definetely a surprise. I dreamt of Eonwe last Night just as I said I would. He is innocent. So that leaves us with: Glirdan Kitanna Lalaith littlemanpoet tar-ancalime Two are wolves, two are innocent, and one is the Hunter. I'm still thinking Kitanna is a wolf. I know my reasoning isn't to strong but I just have this gut feeling she's one of the wolves. I won't vote now of course, but if I had to it would be for her. __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin

11-12-2005, 05:16 PM	#8
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	I have an idea of maybe why the wolves chose to kill Celuin. Everyone yesterday wanted the Ranger to protect me, so it was pretty obvious that the wolves weren't even going to and kill me. Maybe they thought that the ranger would not protect me, and protect either Firefoot or Anguirel. Since it was very unlikely the wolves would choose me. So perhaps the wolves couldn't decide between us three who to kill, since they weren't sure of which of us was protected by the Ranger. Then they just chose someone else at random. That person ended up being the Ranger. Just an idea, it seems to cover everything. __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin

11-12-2005, 05:49 PM	#9
Eonwe Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In a world grown ever smaller. Posts: 678	no time to really post. i've read everything posted today. current suspects: kittana why? i still believe i wasn't on drugs or anything couple nights ago. meaning im pretty darn sure wayne deleted his post naming kittana as a wolf. and would he delete it? rethought an unsubtle move? i dunno. but looking at kittana (especially if you are suspicious already. guess that always helps, as lmp says ) i don't like it. if i was the wolf i would try to defend people i knew would to be innocent. because taht would make me look good. i looked into it couple days ago, and kittana is doing just that. everything she says makes sense, because she's pretty much omnicient when it come to the clearcut wolf or innocent. all she has to do is keep up her retoric, telling people things that are true, but not daming. if you see waht i mean...think - dout! can't do that... everyone else but lmp and the known innocnets, as for now. i'll try to come up with some kind of analyzis on everyone later on tonight. two more things: wilwa must be assumed to be the seer now. if she's not, the real seer surely would realize the amount of damage that she would be doing. not to mention wayne... mmmmm...waht was teh other...can't remember. __________________ I've got bridge club on Wednesday, Archery on Thursday, Dancing on a Friday night! Last edited by Eonwe; 11-12-2005 at 06:12 PM. Reason: cencored. ;)

11-12-2005, 03:30 PM	#2
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Celuien? What the devil? What are these werewolves up to? Okay, they couldn't go after the seer, which we have strong evidence is Wilwa, but stronger is needed in a confession from Wilwa as to whom she drempt of last night, and whether that person is werewolf or innocent. And I figured the werewolves would be going after Firefoot or Anguirel. The only three reasons I can think of for their choice were: 1) hey, see what LMP thinks, let's prove him wrong so that he looks like a werewolf. But that's almost stupid. 2) Wilwa is not the seer, but a werewolf, and the werewolves have known that Wayne was unlikely to last anyway, so they went for a really bold bluff and have been lucky to pick out believable people as innocent, one of whom may in fact be werewolves, and were going after Celuien because they thought she was the real seer. That definitely does not follow Occam's Razor at all, and seems quite far-fetched to me, because is also means that either Firefoot or Anguirel is the third werewolf, and that just doesn't look at all right. This little hypothesis cannot be ruled completely out of question, but it seems to be way back on a distant back burner. 3) they're thinking in ways that just don't work for me. Of the three possibilities, number 3 seems the most likely to me, although number 1 has possibilities. So, Wilwa, who did you dream of last night, and is that individual a werewolf or innocent?

11-12-2005, 04:02 PM	#4
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Okay. Thanks, Wilwa. Please accept my apologies for doubting you, Eonwe. If Wilwa is lying, which I doubt, then she is a werewof, and one of Firefoot, Anguirel, & Eonwe is a werewolf, the other two innocent and being duped like the rest of us. Just noting that as an "aside" hypothesis. If Wilwa is the seer, then I must take a good hard look at ... Glirdan Kitanna Lalaith tar-ancalime ... because I know I'm innocent, and anybody who thinks I'm a wolf has greater respect for what I might do as a werewolf than I do. Let me just bring one thing to everyone's attention, going back to Day One: On Day One, werewolves are looking for any chance of any innocent saying something that gives them the chance to cast doubt on that individual. Up until my "elect a leader" post, nobody had done that, and I can imagine that the werewolves must have been pretty frustrated up until then. Immediately after my "eal" post, Glirdan hits me with a ferocious attack. Eonwe provides a reasoned analysis, and my response to these two is (1) reasonable with Eonwe, (2) suspicious of Glirdan. Following this, Glirdan backpedals so fast, he disappears into distance. This, my friends, is the most werewolvish behavior I've seen from anyone at all outside of Wayne. I'll take a closer look now at the rest of those still under suspicion.