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Lalaith · 10-31-2005, 03:27 PM

Ang, I think you'll find it's three votes for Morgoth, curse of: both morm and arctic had already voted for it, which is why I voted the way I did...

Anguirel · 10-31-2005, 03:43 PM

Righty-ho, sorry, will edit. These votes were rather a nightmare to count for some reason...I think because I'd been slack about keeping a running tally...

Celuien · 10-31-2005, 05:36 PM

++MORGOTH, CURSE OF...

my preferred choice from yesterday. May Turin gain more wisdom once freed of Morgoth's malevolence.

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-31-2005, 07:39 PM

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I disagree with you there, Saucie-bet you're surprised!-on the evicting curses point. I think the Curse and even more so the Doom really are distinct entities, vital characters in a sense, and so ought to be options for voting.

I couldn't disagree with you more. It just seems to make a mockery of the game to vote for pronouncements and not for people.

The whole point of a Reality Show is that we, the audience, get to vote for the contestants that we like the least, or who we think are not contributing sufficiently to the challenges. We don't get to vote for aspects of their personality which we dislike or circumstances which we think are holding them back. That would be plain silly.

What happens if the Curse or the Doom last until the end? Do they win? how dull would that be?

If people want the Curse of Morgoth removed, then they should go for the cause, not the symptom, and vote off Morgoth.

But, if the Curse goes, then there will be no Turin/Nienor mistaken identity situation and perhaps the most tragic element of the whole tragic tale goes up in a puff of smoke. To my mind, that would strike at the very heart of the tale. What is the point of Turin without the tragedy? That's his whole purpose. His raison d'etre.

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Originally Posted by Gothmog

And regarding the votes for Morwen, is this supposed to leave her daughter unprotected and thereby sending Turin to her "rescue"?

Precisely. And there are ways and means of Turin hearing the news. Perhaps a traveller from the north. Perhaps even the workings of Morgoth's Curse, given that Turin is more than capable of wreaking havoc in his homeland, which would no doubt suit Morgoth's purpose.

The 1,000 Reader · 10-31-2005, 10:25 PM

++Morwen.

We need these curses. They add drama and set up situations. Besides, Morgoth's curse will leave automatically.

Anguirel · 11-01-2005, 01:15 AM

Morwen-4
Morgoth, Curse of-4
Mandos, Doom of-1
Galadriel-1
Finduilas 1

Both Morwen and the Curse of Morgoth are set to be ejected. Write-up coming up...

Anguirel · 11-01-2005, 02:29 AM

RESULTS OF DAY TEN (M-e)

In the hall of Brodda, the chief had made a pronouncement.

He demanded the young and fair Nienor as his second wife! But her proud mother Morwen refused him. As a result she was whipped cruelly, until she fell half-dead from the ordeal, and finally expired. But in that time Nienor slipped away, helped by a couple of old retainers, heading for Melian's realm; and Mablung found her and guided her inside.

Meanwhile, impressed by Morwen's self-sacrifice, Elbereth intervened to lift the Curse on Hurin's children. Shaken by rage, Morgoth hurled Hurin from the peak where he was chained. Thus passed the greatest of mortal warriors.

RESULTS OF THE CHALLENGE

Mablung hurried to find Turin and tell him the news that his mother was dead and his sister in Doriath. Without the Curse, he escaped Glaurung and following the rumours, reached Nargothrond. Turin met him joyously, but shuddered in tears at the news. Eventually he decided to return to Dor-Lomin and avenge Morwen, his plans for the Bridge across the Narog incomplete...

It's Day Eleven in Middle-earth. The contestants:

Tribes

VALAR

Elbereth
Ulmo
Mandos, Doom of

NOLDOR

Maedhros
Maglor
Celegorm
Celebrimbor
Ereinion
Galadriel
Idril
Maeglin
Finduilas
Gwindor

TELERI/SINDAR

Olwe
Celeborn
Mablung

MAIA

Melian
Uinen
Arien (with Sun)

DWARVES

Telchar of Nogrod (incidentally, probably by now a different character. But with the same name. Like Durin the Deathless...)
Mim the Petty-dwarf

MEN

Dior
Tuor
Turin
Nienor
Brandir

FORCES OF EVIL

Morgoth
Sauron
Glaurung
Ancalagon (young adult...)

Task eleven: Retribution of Morgoth. Let the Dragons (yes, Ancalagon has matured early...) wreak havoc. Those Elves and Men aren't throwing off the Curse for nothing!

10-31-2005, 03:27 PM	#1
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Ang, I think you'll find it's three votes for Morgoth, curse of: both morm and arctic had already voted for it, which is why I voted the way I did... __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

10-31-2005, 03:43 PM	#2
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Righty-ho, sorry, will edit. These votes were rather a nightmare to count for some reason...I think because I'd been slack about keeping a running tally... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-31-2005, 05:36 PM	#3
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,767	++MORGOTH, CURSE OF... my preferred choice from yesterday. May Turin gain more wisdom once freed of Morgoth's malevolence. __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

10-31-2005, 10:25 PM	#5
The 1,000 Reader Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: I don't know. Eastern ME doesn't have maps. Posts: 527	++Morwen. We need these curses. They add drama and set up situations. Besides, Morgoth's curse will leave automatically. __________________ "And forth went Morgoth, and he was halted by the elves. Then went Sauron, who was stopped by a dog and then aged men. Finally, there came the Witch-King, who destroyed Arnor, but nobody seems to remember that." -A History of Villains

11-01-2005, 01:15 AM	#6
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Morwen-4 Morgoth, Curse of-4 Mandos, Doom of-1 Galadriel-1 Finduilas 1 Both Morwen and the Curse of Morgoth are set to be ejected. Write-up coming up... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

11-01-2005, 02:29 AM	#7
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	RESULTS OF DAY TEN (M-e) In the hall of Brodda, the chief had made a pronouncement. He demanded the young and fair Nienor as his second wife! But her proud mother Morwen refused him. As a result she was whipped cruelly, until she fell half-dead from the ordeal, and finally expired. But in that time Nienor slipped away, helped by a couple of old retainers, heading for Melian's realm; and Mablung found her and guided her inside. Meanwhile, impressed by Morwen's self-sacrifice, Elbereth intervened to lift the Curse on Hurin's children. Shaken by rage, Morgoth hurled Hurin from the peak where he was chained. Thus passed the greatest of mortal warriors. RESULTS OF THE CHALLENGE Mablung hurried to find Turin and tell him the news that his mother was dead and his sister in Doriath. Without the Curse, he escaped Glaurung and following the rumours, reached Nargothrond. Turin met him joyously, but shuddered in tears at the news. Eventually he decided to return to Dor-Lomin and avenge Morwen, his plans for the Bridge across the Narog incomplete... It's Day Eleven in Middle-earth. The contestants: Tribes VALAR Elbereth Ulmo Mandos, Doom of NOLDOR Maedhros Maglor Celegorm Celebrimbor Ereinion Galadriel Idril Maeglin Finduilas Gwindor TELERI/SINDAR Olwe Celeborn Mablung MAIA Melian Uinen Arien (with Sun) DWARVES Telchar of Nogrod (incidentally, probably by now a different character. But with the same name. Like Durin the Deathless...) Mim the Petty-dwarf MEN Dior Tuor Turin Nienor Brandir FORCES OF EVIL Morgoth Sauron Glaurung Ancalagon (young adult...) Task eleven: Retribution of Morgoth. Let the Dragons (yes, Ancalagon has matured early...) wreak havoc. Those Elves and Men aren't throwing off the Curse for nothing! __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso Last edited by Anguirel; 11-01-2005 at 05:04 AM.