Númenórean Blood Runs Black Planning/Discussion Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Folwren · 10-30-2005, 03:26 PM

Oh, Lommy is a cute nick-name! Hope you don't mind my saying so. But that's really sweet.

Hoi, Perky! Firefoot made out your character to claustraphobic. . .if that's the case, is the King going to have problems with his lodging?

It was funny reading your post, Firefoot. His thoughts of Captain Hereric were most insulting, particularly the one about his own quarters being twice the size, which cracked me up, but I wanted to leap up and defend him. It's a pity that Menelcar thought all those things instead of speaking them. . .Hereric doesn't even have a chance of defending himself.

Out of curiosity, what's everyone elses opinion of the size and room in the ships? I'm reading all these Corsair posts and it sounds like their ships are just massive with tons of room to spare. I understand and that Galleys are considerably larger than regular sailing war ships that Gondor might have had, but I had no idea that they were that much bigger. I, on the other hand, am thinking that this ship of mine is going to be ram packed full of soldiers. The quarters are tight. Captain Hereric has given up his own cabin which has to be split up into two parts...but all this is in the post that you can read. Either I'm thinking the ships are smaller than they are, or you think your ships are bigger than they are. Or, there is the other alternative that the Corsair ships don't have as many people on them as athe Gondorian ships, and they are also galley ships, which are larger, by nature.

Did any of that make sense? If not, let me know, and I'll have another try at it later. If it did make sense...maybe some of the Corsair Captain or lordling players can answer the question.

-- Folwren

Anguirel · 10-30-2005, 03:59 PM

An interesting question, Folwren...

My answer is that the Lords of Umbar are despots, and Sangalazin in particular doesn't go for the fraternising with sailors democratic bilge. If he wants nice spacious quarters with frescoes, he will have them, and he doesn't care if the Corsairs are sleeping nineteen to a bunk as a result. As for the slaves...animals, my dear...

This means that in my view the Corsair vessel doesn't have to be that much larger than yours. It's just that the space allocation is rather lopsided...

Amanaduial the archer · 10-30-2005, 04:31 PM

Lol, nicely put, Anguiriel

To address your point, Folwren...ah, now, I was thinking about this just now as I'm writing another post which will give a brief-ish description of Rakin's quarters.

On the first page, there is a description of the corsair ships - 'behemoths' they are described as, i.e. pretty darn impressive, size-wise. However, to keep my ship nice and nifty in the water, we decided on something a little smaller - See, originally we decided upon the xebec as the model for the Fame and Fortune - which is, technically, quite a small ship, or so it was described as being; on the other hand, however, the description did say that it can be crewed by about two hundred. Now, I have no such aspirations to a crew of that size - too many to split the pickings among, even if Rakin would get a lion's share - and rather had ideas of a crew of, say, fifty to seventy. Seems a fair enough estimation of crew size? Include Sangalazin and Azaryan in that number. Plus the slaves - shall we say eighty to one hundred of them? And yes, I am aware it is risky to have more slaves than there are corsairs aboard the ship, but then, we have weapons, they have planks of wood. (However...

) This still gives us a fairly hefty number aboard the ship, but not quite the two hundred that was estimated, allowing dear Sangalazin room to stretch his claws out and get comfortable. it isn't the 'behemoth' that is described on Pio/Perky's section on corsair ships on page one of this thread, but we aren't stretching the boundaries too much, as our xebec roughly follows the description, but is slightly smaller.

However...well, you said that maybe the corsair ships were galleys, but I don't suppose this is technically true if we are sticking with the xebec design. But the xebec...well, come on, it's pretty darn snazzy, and I like it. So I propose that we could maybe...stretch it slightly. Give us three levels rather than two? It would allow us the extra space, but I don't think it would slow the ship down or dramatically alter the ship's design, allowing us our sleekness and speed still.

Was that at all clear? If so, what do others think, stretch the ship a bit? It isn't a dramatic difference, but it allows us that extra space that has apparently been alluded to in corsair posts. Although as for the everyday shiphands - well, maybe not quite 'nineteen to a bunk' as Anguiriel phrased it, but they probably ain't gonna be quite so comfortable. And the slaves - well, couldn't have phrased it better myself, my dear

Firefoot · 10-30-2005, 07:11 PM

Folwren - I'm sure that what you have is fine as far as sizes go. And I'm also sure that it's not quite as small as Menelcar perceives it...

See, Menelcar already had his mind set against Hereric, so it would have had to be luxurious indeed for him to whole-heartedly approve. And what other people have said about space allotment makes sense as well.

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It was funny reading your post, Firefoot. His thoughts of Captain Hereric were most insulting, particularly the one about his own quarters being twice the size, which cracked me up, but I wanted to leap up and defend him. It's a pity that Menelcar thought all those things instead of speaking them. . .Hereric doesn't even have a chance of defending himself.

Oh, don't worry, I'm sure there will be opportunity... but Menelcar is far from stupid. He's not going to pick a fight he is going to lose, and he's certainly not going to do it in front of Telumehtar. But he sure will keep jabbing away, those subtle things... and in time...

10-30-2005, 03:26 PM	#1
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Oh, Lommy is a cute nick-name! Hope you don't mind my saying so. But that's really sweet. Hoi, Perky! Firefoot made out your character to claustraphobic. . .if that's the case, is the King going to have problems with his lodging? It was funny reading your post, Firefoot. His thoughts of Captain Hereric were most insulting, particularly the one about his own quarters being twice the size, which cracked me up, but I wanted to leap up and defend him. It's a pity that Menelcar thought all those things instead of speaking them. . .Hereric doesn't even have a chance of defending himself. Out of curiosity, what's everyone elses opinion of the size and room in the ships? I'm reading all these Corsair posts and it sounds like their ships are just massive with tons of room to spare. I understand and that Galleys are considerably larger than regular sailing war ships that Gondor might have had, but I had no idea that they were that much bigger. I, on the other hand, am thinking that this ship of mine is going to be ram packed full of soldiers. The quarters are tight. Captain Hereric has given up his own cabin which has to be split up into two parts...but all this is in the post that you can read. Either I'm thinking the ships are smaller than they are, or you think your ships are bigger than they are. Or, there is the other alternative that the Corsair ships don't have as many people on them as athe Gondorian ships, and they are also galley ships, which are larger, by nature. Did any of that make sense? If not, let me know, and I'll have another try at it later. If it did make sense...maybe some of the Corsair Captain or lordling players can answer the question. -- Folwren __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

10-30-2005, 03:59 PM	#2
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	An interesting question, Folwren... My answer is that the Lords of Umbar are despots, and Sangalazin in particular doesn't go for the fraternising with sailors democratic bilge. If he wants nice spacious quarters with frescoes, he will have them, and he doesn't care if the Corsairs are sleeping nineteen to a bunk as a result. As for the slaves...animals, my dear... This means that in my view the Corsair vessel doesn't have to be that much larger than yours. It's just that the space allocation is rather lopsided... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-30-2005, 04:31 PM	#3
Amanaduial the archer Shadow of Starlight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: dancing among the ledgerlines... Posts: 2,347	Lol, nicely put, Anguiriel To address your point, Folwren...ah, now, I was thinking about this just now as I'm writing another post which will give a brief-ish description of Rakin's quarters. On the first page, there is a description of the corsair ships - 'behemoths' they are described as, i.e. pretty darn impressive, size-wise. However, to keep my ship nice and nifty in the water, we decided on something a little smaller - See, originally we decided upon the xebec as the model for the Fame and Fortune - which is, technically, quite a small ship, or so it was described as being; on the other hand, however, the description did say that it can be crewed by about two hundred. Now, I have no such aspirations to a crew of that size - too many to split the pickings among, even if Rakin would get a lion's share - and rather had ideas of a crew of, say, fifty to seventy. Seems a fair enough estimation of crew size? Include Sangalazin and Azaryan in that number. Plus the slaves - shall we say eighty to one hundred of them? And yes, I am aware it is risky to have more slaves than there are corsairs aboard the ship, but then, we have weapons, they have planks of wood. (However...) This still gives us a fairly hefty number aboard the ship, but not quite the two hundred that was estimated, allowing dear Sangalazin room to stretch his claws out and get comfortable. it isn't the 'behemoth' that is described on Pio/Perky's section on corsair ships on page one of this thread, but we aren't stretching the boundaries too much, as our xebec roughly follows the description, but is slightly smaller. However...well, you said that maybe the corsair ships were galleys, but I don't suppose this is technically true if we are sticking with the xebec design. But the xebec...well, come on, it's pretty darn snazzy, and I like it. So I propose that we could maybe...stretch it slightly. Give us three levels rather than two? It would allow us the extra space, but I don't think it would slow the ship down or dramatically alter the ship's design, allowing us our sleekness and speed still. Was that at all clear? If so, what do others think, stretch the ship a bit? It isn't a dramatic difference, but it allows us that extra space that has apparently been alluded to in corsair posts. Although as for the everyday shiphands - well, maybe not quite 'nineteen to a bunk' as Anguiriel phrased it, but they probably ain't gonna be quite so comfortable. And the slaves - well, couldn't have phrased it better myself, my dear __________________ I am what I was, a harmless little devil Last edited by Amanaduial the archer; 10-30-2005 at 04:35 PM.