TOL-IN-GAURHOTH XII, Erbar Telamarth - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

the guy who be short · 10-27-2005, 07:09 AM

I can't believe I ever stopped playing these.

I don't think I can really ay how much I loved that.

What, out of interest, did "Erbar Telamarth" come from? It's neither Quenya nor Sindarin. I'm interested.

Special praise to Boro88, my suicide buddy, and LMP for his hilarious character, as well a tp's gripping, Middle-Earthian narratives.

I think we should just have killed Fea off at the first.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 10-27-2005, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by the guy who be short

I think we should just have killed Fea off at the first.

Why you people continue to let me live, I'll never know. Yes, I didn't tell a single lie in this game... but how would you know that? I can't for the life of me figure out how I can remain like... the top suspect every single day and yet stay alive until the end almost every time. Somebody want to explain this to me?

Boromir88 · 10-27-2005, 07:42 AM

I'd have to say this was the funnest time I had in a WW game. I wanted to try something different, instead of being a "well-liked" guy. Though I really was...annoyed...at the end, guess I couldn't blame anyone for wanting to be rid of me.

I am seriously going to call phantom "Master Phantom" for his excellently modded game. The narrations were great.

And a few words to Esty...besides my slandering your sewing I don't think I lied once during the game, so you could have taken me at face value. I really did think morm was the seer, since he spotted Cailin, then suddenly went after Formendacil.

And my three predictions at the beginning, I just thought it'd be fun to pick 3 random names, say they were wolves, and see how accurate I was. It did hurt my chances that I named Sauce however.

An excellently played game from the players and a tip of the hat to Eomer for getting Cailin (what is it that you did see,? that's been puzzling me). Fea, tgwbs, Underhill, and Esty I enjoyed playing with for the first time, it was awesome.

(And Ahah Fea, I told you Firefoot dreamed of me.

!)

littlemanpoet · 10-27-2005, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

I'd have to say this was the funnest time I had in a WW game. I wanted to try something different, instead of being a "well-liked" guy. Though I really was...annoyed...at the end, guess I couldn't blame anyone for wanting to be rid of me.

And a few words to Esty...besides my slandering your sewing I don't think I lied once during the game, so you could have taken me at face value. I really did think morm was the seer, since he spotted Cailin, then suddenly went after Formendacil.

I guarded you on Night 2, little good it did either you or me!

My notes for planning who to guard on Night 2 came down to this:

Seer

Not: Feanor, Mr. U.
Not likely: Firefoot (duh-uh!), Guy (werewolf?), Esty, Morm, Formy (werewolf?), Encai (werwolf?)
Neutral: Lhuna (not enough info)
Could be: Boromir

Oh, On Night 1 I guarded Morm. It was a toss-up between Eomer and Morm, and since I was more convinced of Morm than Eomer, Morm it was. Just imagine if I'd have guarded Eomer! I'd have messed everything up!

Estelyn Telcontar · 10-27-2005, 07:48 AM

I looked up the "Erbar Telamarth" a few days ago and found Quenya word elements, IIRC, but couldn't really make sense of the combination. Will you explain please, phantom?

What I would like to know, since I'm a newbie just learning how this game goes, is why the wolves chose their victims. Did you know Firefoot was the Seer? If so, what did you see that I didn't? Didn't Boromir fool you with his ruse like he did me and others?

morm, though I hated to see the wolves get you the last night, I am grateful that they didn't go for Underhill! How would we have been able to find out a new wolf?! The past voting record and comments would have been no help at all.

Cross-posted with Boro: Sure, now I know you told the truth, but be honest - had you been a wolf, wouldn't you have said exactly the same things?!

Boromir88 · 10-27-2005, 07:50 AM

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What I would like to know, since I'm a newbie just learning how this game goes, is why the wolves chose their victims. Did you know Firefoot was the Seer? If so, what did you see that I didn't? Didn't Boromir fool you with his ruse like he did me and others?

I'd be interested in hearing how Enca spotted Firefoot too. I honestly had no clue, or idea, Firefoot was the Seer.

the guy who be short · 10-27-2005, 08:01 AM

I'm pretty sure Firefoot was just killed off for being a known innocent - same as LMP and mormegil. It was just our rotten luck that two of them were gifteds.

People ask why I commited suicide... Well...

Firstly, I worked out that double lynchings would help our chances of winning. Halway through my last Day, I was also suddenly struck by the fact that Boro was completely innocent because of the Sauce comment - I couldn't imagine a wolf ever being so careless.

So, I knew Esty, morm and Boro were innocent. I suspected Enca, Fea and Mr U. If you look at my suicide posts, you'll notice I had made very clear demands pertaining to my death:

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Now here's the deal. I'm willing to be double lynched, but toDay is our last Day with mormian input. After that, there are no known innocents.

So, I'm willing to be lynched, on these conditions:

Esty and mormegil are recognised as innocents.

Encaitare is lynched with me.

If Enca is not a wolf, Fea and Boro are lynched next Day, with Esty as the final voter, if she can manage this.

After this, I suddenly realised Boro's innocence thanks to a Mr U post, and swapped the two around:

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If Enca is not a wolf, on Day Two, please lynch: Feanor, Mr Underhill. Esty should be the one keeping her vote til the end, as I trust her most out of all of you, minus morm, who would die in the Night.

The way I saw it, the village had nothing to lose as long as it stuck to my plan. By killing myself, people could see I had honest intentions and go along with what I said.

Unfortunately, knuckleheads that you all are, you screwed it up and killed Boro.

Though Encai was still my top suspect, I could just see a wolfy Mr U winning the game...

In any case, if the village had listened to me, we'd have won a Day earlier.

In conclusion, I've forgotten the point I was trying to make.

Thank you for listening.

littlemanpoet · 10-27-2005, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by the guy who be short

I'm pretty sure Firefoot was just killed off for being a known innocent - same as LMP and mormegil. It was just our rotten luck that two of them were gifteds.

Your certainty at the beginning of Day 2 began to look to me like werewolvery. I was going to be all after you on Day 3. In fact, Mr. U's case against you on - what - Day 5, was precisely what I had been ready to present on Day 3.

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People ask why I commited suicide... Well...

Firstly, I worked out that double lynchings would help our chances of winning.

I continue to be against multiple lynchings. Here's why: all the mathematical working out you do cannot account for the additional days of discussion rendered by only lynching one victim per Day. The discussions and analysis, and give and take all add up to more chances for a werewolf to slip up or vote in a way that reveals at least suspicion, if not guilt. And as you later pointed out in the post I'm quoting, your conditions were not followed, and therefore your outcome was anything but assured; which of course is completely to be expected in the dynamics of a game like this.

Oh, and I'm against suicides. It's the easy way out, like multiple lynchings. So there's a good reason to keep the cobbler, or at least the suggestion of a cobbler's existence, in the game.

mormegil · 10-27-2005, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

I'd be interested in hearing how Enca spotted Firefoot too. I honestly had no clue, or idea, Firefoot was the Seer.

My guess is they were systematically killing the 3 known innocents off one by one in order of least suspicion. For example nobody suspected LMP of being guilty and therefore he was the first to go. I was the most plausible of the three to be a wolf therefore I was last. It was somewhat unfortunate that it was Firefoot and not another that voted for Cailin.

Speaking of Firefoot, this is her second time at being a seer and I think she played brilliant. Before she died she left us sufficient clues to know who she dreamt of and who she didn't though Boromir was a bit ambiguous but I believe that was out of necessity. It's a difficult role to play and she did it very well.

Ah now I lament that I couldn't trust Mister Underhill sooner though because the day we lynched Formendacil I wanted to do a double lynching of Enca too but I didn't dare speak my thoughts openly to anybody I just had to hope and wait.

Boromir88 · 10-27-2005, 08:06 AM

I basically had the same reasoning with tgwbs, as far as suicidal. I thought if I was going to attract this much doubt and suspicion, just get me out of the way and leave it up to the "knuckleheads" to catch the last wolf. Which they did. Congrats.

***Mister Underhill*** · 10-27-2005, 08:40 AM

It's fascinating how even an innocent can look guilty as sin when viewed in the right light. Sorry, Fea and Shorty. I don't think I could ever be a trial lawyer -- sorry, loyer

-- I couldn't live with the uncertainty, even when it's only that last little 1% of doubt.

The game is quite interesting strategy-wise, too. You have to look suspicious enough that the wolves want to keep you alive, but not so suspicious that your fellows lynch you. I lucked out a little bit in that regard, I reckon, with some blundering early moves.

That second-to-last day was a disaster, and credit to Enca for creating such confusion without completely giving herself away. I was so mixed up that night that I probably could have been talked into casting a vote for myself. When it was all over I was sitting at my computer wondering how I ended up lynching Shorty/Boro when my top suspects most of the day had been Enca/Fea. To my dying day I'll never understand the suicide votes -- I was convinced one of you was running the ultimate bold bluff.

Firefoot voted for two wolves in three votes; I assumed that's why she got mauled. Nice job, Fire, in leaving clues that could be deciphered after your demise.

littlemanpoet · 10-27-2005, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mormegil

Ah now I lament that I couldn't trust Mister Underhill sooner though because the day we lynched Formendacil I wanted to do a double lynching of Enca too but I didn't dare speak my thoughts openly to anybody I just had to hope and wait.

Ah but you could have trusted him sooner. On Day 3 I was going to point out an additional factor in Cailin's now infamous slip-up post in which she suggested that the werewolves were experienced. I found this interesting, and seeing as it was part of the same paragraph that had pointed her out to me as a werewolf, I decided to hypothesize that Esty and Mr. U. were both innocent ordinaries, and see where that would lead me. It led to strong suspicions of Guy, Formy, and Encai, in that order. I wasn't sure which of those three were the two remaining werewolves, but I was pretty convinced that two of these were the ones. Enca's vote on Day 1 incriminated her: she saved Cailin. What about bluffing and double bluffing? Well, Occam's Razor is a handy tool: accept the simplest answer that successfully accounts for all of the information. Fact: Encai did save Cailin (not Anguirel). On Day 2, Encai defended me and Mr. U., which I discounted based on my innocence and the hypothesized innocence of Mr. U. Formy defended Guy, which placed Guy in suspicion with me. Guy defended Enca. And Formy kept voting for Mr. U., whom I thought to be innocent. And Boromir kept voting for Formy, which fit my hypothesis of Boro's innocence and Formy's guilt. But I was going to save my strongest attack for Guy, because so much of what he said on Day 2 was self-incriminating. Oh well, maybe I'll last longer in another game.

littlemanpoet · 10-27-2005, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Why you people continue to let me live, I'll never know. Yes, I didn't tell a single lie in this game... but how would you know that? I can't for the life of me figure out how I can remain like... the top suspect every single day and yet stay alive until the end almost every time. Somebody want to explain this to me?

Easy. Reputation versus the facts. The facts of the case pointed toward other people more than you. Reputation pointed completely toward you. On Day 3 I was going to tell you that you and I were both guilty of "overthink" in regard to each other, and I was betting that you weren't a werewolf; you weren't playing a werewolfish game the way I would expect Feanor of the Peredhil to do it. So I was going to suggest a truce, which me being considered so innocent by everybody else, would have either swayed opinion in your favor, or against me ... but I was so considered squeaky clean in this game that I could have used a little more suspicion my way. So thanks for your help in that regard, though it was to little avail, based on reputation rather than facts itself.

the guy who be short · 10-28-2005, 03:10 PM

Ah! Mortakh the Mucous is the phantom's Orkish name, according to the BD name translators.

littlemanpoet · 10-27-2005, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by the guy who be short

Special praise to Boro88, my suicide buddy, and LMP for his hilarious character, as well a tp's gripping, Middle-Earthian narratives.

I think we should just have killed Fea off at the first.

Complete agreement on all counts.

I had intended to send my (ahem) invitations to Lhuna, Cailin, and Encai too, but the timing never worked out. Oh well. So I was a bigamist or something instead.

Encaitare · 10-27-2005, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LMP

I had intended to send my (ahem) invitations to Lhuna, Cailin, and Encai too, but the timing never worked out.

It's just as well for you... we weregirls wouldn't have taken kindly to such advances.

You know what I realized, and in my post-double-lynched delerium really amused me? Fea-Wolf sounds very much like Beowulf. Just wanted to share that fascinating tidbit with you all.

the phantom · 10-27-2005, 08:24 PM

If you want to find the so-called "easter eggs"....

1. Easter Egg One Completed- Erbar Telamarth's meaning

2. Post #37, reference to Downs history

3. Post #37, character name

4. Post #39, reference to Middle Earth history

5. Post #40, reference to Downs history

6. Post #199, joke on village occupation

7. Post #199, song reference

8. Post #201, character name

9. Post #273, movie reference

10. Post #273, play on person's name

11. Post #275, reference to Enca pm

12. Posts #416 and #417, commentary on Day's events

13. Post #417, reference to Eomer pm (in WW III, I believe)

14. Post #419, reference to Downs history

15. Post #467, play on person's name

Some of them aren't even hidden- they are just things that I wondered if anyone noticed.

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Originally Posted by Encaitare

I've really no idea about the phantom's Easter Egg thing regarding the choice of killing Firefoot. I didn't even suspect her to be the Seer

You have "no idea", Enca? Are you sure? Look at what you just said-

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I didn't even suspect her to be the Seer

I included that in my narrative. See it?

Shelob · 10-27-2005, 08:34 PM

On top of the table, all covered in, well, me
I lost my poor head when 'twas cut by L-M-P

It rolled off the table, and onto the floor,
And then my poor head, it rolled out of the door.

It rolled down the garden, and under a bush,
And then my poor head, it was nothing but mush!

I had actually cought that, just forgot about it...mostly because I couldn't remember the words...thanks to google though that's been remedied...

Encaitare · 10-27-2005, 08:44 PM

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I included that in my narrative. See it?

Ah. I get it now.

10-27-2005, 07:48 AM	#5
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	I looked up the "Erbar Telamarth" a few days ago and found Quenya word elements, IIRC, but couldn't really make sense of the combination. Will you explain please, phantom? What I would like to know, since I'm a newbie just learning how this game goes, is why the wolves chose their victims. Did you know Firefoot was the Seer? If so, what did you see that I didn't? Didn't Boromir fool you with his ruse like he did me and others? morm, though I hated to see the wolves get you the last night, I am grateful that they didn't go for Underhill! How would we have been able to find out a new wolf?! The past voting record and comments would have been no help at all. Cross-posted with Boro: Sure, now I know you told the truth, but be honest - had you been a wolf, wouldn't you have said exactly the same things?! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

10-27-2005, 08:06 AM	#10
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	I basically had the same reasoning with tgwbs, as far as suicidal. I thought if I was going to attract this much doubt and suspicion, just get me out of the way and leave it up to the "knuckleheads" to catch the last wolf. Which they did. Congrats. __________________ Fenris Penguin

10-27-2005, 08:34 PM	#18
Shelob Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At the abysmal Abyss Mall. Posts: 276	On top of the table, all covered in, well, me I lost my poor head when 'twas cut by L-M-P It rolled off the table, and onto the floor, And then my poor head, it rolled out of the door. It rolled down the garden, and under a bush, And then my poor head, it was nothing but mush! I had actually cought that, just forgot about it...mostly because I couldn't remember the words...thanks to google though that's been remedied... __________________ A signature always reveals a man's character - and sometimes even his name ~Evan Esar. Pan for Everyone!

10-27-2005, 07:09 AM	#1
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	I can't believe I ever stopped playing these. I don't think I can really ay how much I loved that. What, out of interest, did "Erbar Telamarth" come from? It's neither Quenya nor Sindarin. I'm interested. Special praise to Boro88, my suicide buddy, and LMP for his hilarious character, as well a tp's gripping, Middle-Earthian narratives. I think we should just have killed Fea off at the first.

10-27-2005, 07:42 AM	#3
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	I'd have to say this was the funnest time I had in a WW game. I wanted to try something different, instead of being a "well-liked" guy. Though I really was...annoyed...at the end, guess I couldn't blame anyone for wanting to be rid of me. I am seriously going to call phantom "Master Phantom" for his excellently modded game. The narrations were great. And a few words to Esty...besides my slandering your sewing I don't think I lied once during the game, so you could have taken me at face value. I really did think morm was the seer, since he spotted Cailin, then suddenly went after Formendacil. And my three predictions at the beginning, I just thought it'd be fun to pick 3 random names, say they were wolves, and see how accurate I was. It did hurt my chances that I named Sauce however. An excellently played game from the players and a tip of the hat to Eomer for getting Cailin (what is it that you did see,? that's been puzzling me). Fea, tgwbs, Underhill, and Esty I enjoyed playing with for the first time, it was awesome. (And Ahah Fea, I told you Firefoot dreamed of me. !) __________________ Fenris Penguin

10-27-2005, 08:40 AM	#11
*Mister Underhill* Dread Horseman Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Behind you! Posts: 2,744	It's fascinating how even an innocent can look guilty as sin when viewed in the right light. Sorry, Fea and Shorty. I don't think I could ever be a trial lawyer -- sorry, loyer -- I couldn't live with the uncertainty, even when it's only that last little 1% of doubt. The game is quite interesting strategy-wise, too. You have to look suspicious enough that the wolves want to keep you alive, but not so suspicious that your fellows lynch you. I lucked out a little bit in that regard, I reckon, with some blundering early moves. That second-to-last day was a disaster, and credit to Enca for creating such confusion without completely giving herself away. I was so mixed up that night that I probably could have been talked into casting a vote for myself. When it was all over I was sitting at my computer wondering how I ended up lynching Shorty/Boro when my top suspects most of the day had been Enca/Fea. To my dying day I'll never understand the suicide votes -- I was convinced one of you was running the ultimate bold bluff. Firefoot voted for two wolves in three votes; I assumed that's why she got mauled. Nice job, Fire, in leaving clues that could be deciphered after your demise.

10-28-2005, 03:10 PM	#14
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	Ah! Mortakh the Mucous is the phantom's Orkish name, according to the BD name translators.