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Angry Hill Troll · 10-22-2005, 10:52 AM

Gollum's fantasy about what he would do if he got the Ring back is actually somewhat similar to Sam's, when he is trying to rescue Frodo and looking out over Gorgoroth, and thinking about what a nice garden Mordor could be turned into. Maybe that's just a thing about hobbits, which (relatively) keeps the Ring from causing too much harm in their hands:

Sauron: "With this Ring, I will rule the World!"

Saruman: "With the Ring, I could rule the World!"

Galadriel: "With the Ring, I could rule the World!"

Gandalf: "With the Ring, I would be tempted to rule the World!"

Gollum: "With this Ring, Sméagol can have nice fishess to eat!"

Sam: "With this Ring, I could do a nice bit of gardening in this ugly wasteland!"

Bilbo: "With this Ring, I can give the cursed Sackville-Bagginses the slip!"

Frodo: "With this Ring, I can...uh...look for someone to take it off my hands!"

Glirdan · 10-22-2005, 11:40 AM

Love that list Angry because they are exact quotes (almost) fromt the book which states that if someone had the will power and strength, they could use The Ring the same way that Sauron uses The Ring. Gandalf, Saruman and Galadriel all had the power to use The Ring for evil, yet they did not have the will to do so. Frodo asked why he couldn't see into the minds of the others as Galadriel could, which shows he did have the will to do so, but only for that brief period of time. Sam had the will to use it for good (gardening) yet he was still concious of what The Ring could do to him which also shows for that period of time, he had the will to use The Ring. Gollum, seeing as he possessed The Ring for so long, always had the will to use it to get fish. Notice how three have the power to use it but not the will, and three have the will to use it and not the power. They were all being put to the test to see what would happen if they had the chance to use it.

Now I know that this was completely random, but I couldn't help but and emphasis on what Angry said in his post.

Thinlómien · 10-24-2005, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Angry Hill Troll

Gollum's fantasy about what he would do if he got the Ring back is actually somewhat similar to Sam's, when he is trying to rescue Frodo and looking out over Gorgoroth, and thinking about what a nice garden Mordor could be turned into. Maybe that's just a thing about hobbits, which (relatively) keeps the Ring from causing too much harm in their hands:

Sauron: "With this Ring, I will rule the World!"

Saruman: "With the Ring, I could rule the World!"

Galadriel: "With the Ring, I could rule the World!"

Gandalf: "With the Ring, I would be tempted to rule the World!"

Gollum: "With this Ring, Sméagol can have nice fishess to eat!"

Sam: "With this Ring, I could do a nice bit of gardening in this ugly wasteland!"

Bilbo: "With this Ring, I can give the cursed Sackville-Bagginses the slip!"

Frodo: "With this Ring, I can...uh...look for someone to take it off my hands!"

That's an awful lot of fun, but also a good statement, though I disagree in a way with your Frodo-analysis. "With this ring, I will destroy it if no one else will do it", would be probably more correct (but less funny, I agree), since Frodo carried on with the task willingly (he took it upon himself at Rivendell). He also grew 'addicted' to the ring and in the end he claimed it as his own. But your statement has a good point - Frodo needed actually someone else to take it off his hands

Angry Hill Troll · 10-24-2005, 04:03 PM

thanks for the comments, Thinlómien

I was trying to think of what to write for Frodo, and realized that Frodo seems to be the only person who possesses or seeks the Ring, who never expresses a desire to do anything with it, however mundane (a la Sam and Gollum).

I got the feeling, when he is asking Galadriel why he can't read the minds of the other ringbearers, that it's more of an informational question than expressing desire to do so--his Osanwë experience with Galadriel (the only person he knows to be a ringbearer) was rather intimidating to Frodo.

Maybe for these reasons Frodo is probably the best possible ringbearer.

Of course in the end he is overcome and wants to keep the ring--Gollum 'takes it off his hands' by taking a finger with it!

But before that, Frodo successively tries to give the Ring to Gandalf, Elrond, and Galadriel.

Kind of the "anyone who would want to be a ringbearer is unfit to be one" conundrum.

Cheers!

10-22-2005, 10:52 AM	#1
Angry Hill Troll Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ephel Duath Posts: 115	tatersss and fishesss, my precious! Gollum's fantasy about what he would do if he got the Ring back is actually somewhat similar to Sam's, when he is trying to rescue Frodo and looking out over Gorgoroth, and thinking about what a nice garden Mordor could be turned into. Maybe that's just a thing about hobbits, which (relatively) keeps the Ring from causing too much harm in their hands: Sauron: "With this Ring, I will rule the World!" Saruman: "With the Ring, I could rule the World!" Galadriel: "With the Ring, I could rule the World!" Gandalf: "With the Ring, I would be tempted to rule the World!" Gollum: "With this Ring, Sméagol can have nice fishess to eat!" Sam: "With this Ring, I could do a nice bit of gardening in this ugly wasteland!" Bilbo: "With this Ring, I can give the cursed Sackville-Bagginses the slip!" Frodo: "With this Ring, I can...uh...look for someone to take it off my hands!"

10-22-2005, 11:40 AM	#2
Glirdan Energetic Essence Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where Lark Nor Eagle Ever Flew Posts: 3,285	Love that list Angry because they are exact quotes (almost) fromt the book which states that if someone had the will power and strength, they could use The Ring the same way that Sauron uses The Ring. Gandalf, Saruman and Galadriel all had the power to use The Ring for evil, yet they did not have the will to do so. Frodo asked why he couldn't see into the minds of the others as Galadriel could, which shows he did have the will to do so, but only for that brief period of time. Sam had the will to use it for good (gardening) yet he was still concious of what The Ring could do to him which also shows for that period of time, he had the will to use The Ring. Gollum, seeing as he possessed The Ring for so long, always had the will to use it to get fish. Notice how three have the power to use it but not the will, and three have the will to use it and not the power. They were all being put to the test to see what would happen if they had the chance to use it. Now I know that this was completely random, but I couldn't help but and emphasis on what Angry said in his post. __________________ *I'm going to buy you a kitty, I'm going to let you fall in love with the kitty, and one cold, winter night, I'm going to steal into your house and punch you in the face!* Fenris Wolf

10-24-2005, 04:03 PM	#4
Angry Hill Troll Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ephel Duath Posts: 115	thanks for the comments, Thinlómien I was trying to think of what to write for Frodo, and realized that Frodo seems to be the only person who possesses or seeks the Ring, who never expresses a desire to do anything with it, however mundane (a la Sam and Gollum). I got the feeling, when he is asking Galadriel why he can't read the minds of the other ringbearers, that it's more of an informational question than expressing desire to do so--his Osanwë experience with Galadriel (the only person he knows to be a ringbearer) was rather intimidating to Frodo. Maybe for these reasons Frodo is probably the best possible ringbearer. Of course in the end he is overcome and wants to keep the ring--Gollum 'takes it off his hands' by taking a finger with it! But before that, Frodo successively tries to give the Ring to Gandalf, Elrond, and Galadriel. Kind of the "anyone who would want to be a ringbearer is unfit to be one" conundrum. Cheers!