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Gothmog · 10-21-2005, 07:15 AM

Hmmm...very interesting progress. What I don't understand is why Ang had Gothmog the Great and Forever Beloved die before Nirn. I'm sure he could have spiced it up.

And Caranthir died? I'm shocked Ang! Shocked but happy, chocked that it was you who got him killed and happy because there's one less of the evil Cs.

It was good two see two of my favourites, Mablung of the Heavy Hand and Beleg Cúthalion lead the troops.

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Now Hurin and Huor, determined to save the army of Gondolin, fought a last stand while it retreated; and at last defied Morgoth's hosts alone.

And what a mighty sight they must have been! Wish one could be there to watch! Somewhere in the rear ranks...far away from danger...or rather watch in on TV

Now what could be the next challenge? My guess is something Turambaristic. Time for the most tragic character ever presented to show himself. But the sword Maeglin wielded in this version of Nirn, was it Anglachel aka Gurthang or was it Anguirel? My guess is our dear Mod would like Anguirel to play a significant role in this story, so here's the comeback of the neglected twin-sword!

I guess, as there's no voting to do, I had to write something to comment the latest events, though most of it was unnecessary to put in print. You have to do something to make your time go

Anguirel · 10-26-2005, 05:48 AM

The contestants: (clarified, I forgot to remove the suicided Eol or add dear old Brodda the Easterling)

Tribes

VALAR

Elbereth
Ulmo
Mandos, Doom of

NOLDOR

Maedhros
Maglor
Celegorm
Celebrimbor
Curufin
Ereinion
Idril
Maeglin
Orodreth
Finduilas

TELERI/SINDAR

Olwe
Thingol
Celeborn
Galadriel
Mablung
Beleg

MAIA/ELF

Luthien

MAIA

Melian
Uinen
Tilion (with Moon)
Arien (with Sun)

DWARVES

Telchar of Nogrod
Mim the Petty-dwarf
Khim
Ibun

MEN

Beren
Dior
Hurin
Tuor
Morwen
Turin
Nienor
Haldir
Handir
Brodda

FORCES OF EVIL

Morgoth
Sauron
Glaurung
Ancalagon (adolescent...)
Morgoth, Curse of

The new, fifth challenge: A Dor-Lomin Adan at King Thingol's Court. Make sure Turin's time at Doriath is pleasantly angsty.

ADDENDUM: That Gothmog's a shrewd one. Everything he said is quite right...and it was Anguirel...

Lalaith · 10-26-2005, 10:17 AM

Hmmm....Mablung or Melian seem the obvious choices here.....actually what about evicting Finduilas? I know that means Turin gets to avoid some grief once he leaves Doriath, but as the challenge is to make his time actually *in* Doriath more difficult, presumably he'll be a bit more miserable without his fan-girl.

Tuor of Gondolin · 10-26-2005, 11:02 AM

How about Beleg Strongbow?

Or even Morwen.

Remove her and he would get really antsy
about leaving Doriath to save his sister.

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-26-2005, 11:28 AM

Doh! We shouldn't have voted off Saeros!

Although, I am glad that we did, because I can't stand him.

The principal candidates seem to have been identified.

Melian: A moderating influence on Thingol. However, my impression is that he would still have looked favourably on Turin, given the opportunity, even without her counsel.

Mablung and Beleg: Not the only Elves who were friendly to Turin in Doriath. Probably made his life there easier, but were more instrumental in providing him with help and friendship after he had left Doriath.

Finduilas: Not sure how here removal will make his life more difficult while he is still in Doriath.

Morwen and Nienna: Well we surely can't lose Nienna now, but I can see how the removal of Turin's mother would heighten his concern for his sister, and therefore his angst levels, while in Doriath.

Morwen seems like a good candidate to me, although I expect Lalaith to oppose her removal.

As an alternative, I'd be happy to vote for whichever candidate would, by his or her removal, annoy Anguirel the most.

Problem is, it's difficult to work up an argument for any of his favourites ...

Unless, the eviction of someone like Curufin might be seen as removing a buffer against Morgoth's forces, thereby threatening the security of Doriath and making it less of a "safe haven" for Turin. Any thoughts on that from anyone?

PS I am still mourning the loss of Huan. If only I had been around to stick up for him. How could you all vote off such a loyal, faithful and intelligent hound.

Lalaith · 10-26-2005, 11:47 AM

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Not sure how here removal will make his life more difficult while he is still in Doriath

Sorry, I forgot that Finduilas was at Nargothrond, not Doriath. Still a drippy girl, though. But I concur that evicting her won't really help us with the task.

I see your reasoning Saucie but I would really, really prefer it if Morwen weren't thrown off. She's one of my favorite people...

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-26-2005, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

I see your reasoning Saucie but I would really, really prefer it if Morwen weren't thrown off. She's one of my favorite people...

Fair enough. I have nothing against her. She just seems the most suitable candidate, given the task.

What do you think about my fledgling reasoning on Curufin, then? Might that be a runner?

10-26-2005, 05:48 AM	#2
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	The contestants: (clarified, I forgot to remove the suicided Eol or add dear old Brodda the Easterling) Tribes VALAR Elbereth Ulmo Mandos, Doom of NOLDOR Maedhros Maglor Celegorm Celebrimbor Curufin Ereinion Idril Maeglin Orodreth Finduilas TELERI/SINDAR Olwe Thingol Celeborn Galadriel Mablung Beleg MAIA/ELF Luthien MAIA Melian Uinen Tilion (with Moon) Arien (with Sun) DWARVES Telchar of Nogrod Mim the Petty-dwarf Khim Ibun MEN Beren Dior Hurin Tuor Morwen Turin Nienor Haldir Handir Brodda FORCES OF EVIL Morgoth Sauron Glaurung Ancalagon (adolescent...) Morgoth, Curse of The new, fifth challenge: A Dor-Lomin Adan at King Thingol's Court. Make sure Turin's time at Doriath is pleasantly angsty. ADDENDUM: That Gothmog's a shrewd one. Everything he said is quite right...and it was Anguirel... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso Last edited by Anguirel; 10-30-2005 at 12:55 PM.

10-26-2005, 10:17 AM	#3
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Hmmm....Mablung or Melian seem the obvious choices here.....actually what about evicting Finduilas? I know that means Turin gets to avoid some grief once he leaves Doriath, but as the challenge is to make his time actually in Doriath more difficult, presumably he'll be a bit more miserable without his fan-girl. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

10-26-2005, 11:02 AM	#4
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	How about Beleg Strongbow? Or even Morwen. Remove her and he would get really antsy about leaving Doriath to save his sister. __________________ Aure Entuluva!

10-26-2005, 11:28 AM	#5
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Well, I'm back! Doh! We shouldn't have voted off Saeros! Although, I am glad that we did, because I can't stand him. The principal candidates seem to have been identified. Melian: A moderating influence on Thingol. However, my impression is that he would still have looked favourably on Turin, given the opportunity, even without her counsel. Mablung and Beleg: Not the only Elves who were friendly to Turin in Doriath. Probably made his life there easier, but were more instrumental in providing him with help and friendship after he had left Doriath. Finduilas: Not sure how here removal will make his life more difficult while he is still in Doriath. Morwen and Nienna: Well we surely can't lose Nienna now, but I can see how the removal of Turin's mother would heighten his concern for his sister, and therefore his angst levels, while in Doriath. Morwen seems like a good candidate to me, although I expect Lalaith to oppose her removal. As an alternative, I'd be happy to vote for whichever candidate would, by his or her removal, annoy Anguirel the most. Problem is, it's difficult to work up an argument for any of his favourites ... Unless, the eviction of someone like Curufin might be seen as removing a buffer against Morgoth's forces, thereby threatening the security of Doriath and making it less of a "safe haven" for Turin. Any thoughts on that from anyone? PS I am still mourning the loss of Huan. If only I had been around to stick up for him. How could you all vote off such a loyal, faithful and intelligent hound. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!