WWJ II: Welcome to Lower Tadfield. The Apocalypse has Now Begun.

[Hiriel]

Hokay. Took me a while to get on, but I should have some time now. Herm...curious things abound in Lower Tadfield. Tar is being very, very suspicious in my mind, and his vote for the KA befuddles me, but as so many people voiced suspicion of Rune, I'll look at him first.

I am very sorry I dont see these evidence of what you speek. . . Surly a wolf would not vote for a dubbel lynch this would draw atention to one. Bandwagoning is neither the ideal thing to do for a wolf. (at least not in the first day.) It would be much more safe to vote for one not to be killed.

Rune, forgive me if I'm wrong, but wolves love double lynchings when a wolf isn't headed for the noose. It kills more villagers, and the object for the wolves is to kill us all. Bandwagoning, too, is something wolves love, and if done sparingly, can keep them under the radar. Your last sentence was a little unclear to me, sorry, if you could clear that up, I'd be obliged. And as Sleepy said, it's not really relevent.

'I was making a point about the so called evidence! Witch convinesly makes me a wolf no matter what.

Rune, that's not true. It could be that you thought Wayne's vote did count, and thought to make a clear lead so as to avoid a double lynching. But since you conceed there's no way out for you...I dunno what to think.

Eek. Couldn't get as much time as I thought. Hopefully, I'll get more time to disect the rest of what's gone on, but I might just have to post a quick vote in the nick of time.

[sotty]

Wow a Rune wagon so soon! To be honest I never saw this coming I was thinking over who seemed most suspicious to me and Rune wasn't even on my list. With this evidence that is being brought up by Tar and Kitanna I feel I need to go back and have a re-read and a think. Before I do that, I want to air my suspicions for the day.

The first one is Hiriel. I mentioned yesterday that there was something about his posts that made me uneasy and today I'm still not able to quite put my finger on it. It might be purely down to the fact that he used the word blame back in post 19. He later apologizes for this saying-

Originally Posted by ”Hiriel”

Oh also: some people have brought up my usage of blame. The honest answer for why I wrote that word is that it's shorter and easier to spell than accuse. The two are basic synonyms, and I wasn't thinking about the negative connotations the former might have as opposed to the latter. I meant nothing sinister or to encourage random mob lynches by it. Sorry.

This I can accept. Being a dyslexic myself (yes a dyslexic school teacher, how ironic huh?) I often use smaller words that have the same or similar meaning rather than the word I actually mean. But when I questioned him on his big post and no vote, he says this-

Originally Posted by ”Hiriel”

Well, yeah, yeah I was. Maybe I'm just a horrid procrastinator, but I like to wait till the last minute, to see if anything at all comes up that could help inform my vote. I had no idea who to vote for when I made that lengthy post. I suspected DEATH, and Tar, and Glirdy, but I really doubted that I'd hit on a wolf the first go. I was waiting to see if anything else might turn up on the thread before I had to make my choice.

I feel that waiting until the last moment is a very wolfish thing to do. For one you get to see how everyone has voted so you can see how best to place your vote. You can judge on where would be the best place for your vote, instead of using evidence at your disposal. You can even save a fellow wolf from the noose, although that might be a little toooo oblivious but the possibility is still there. With it being the first day we all had very little to go on (expect the seer of course) and so all of our reasons to vote were full of holes so I really don't see how waiting until the last minute helps in anyway.

The second person I have even less to go on and it's Bergil. This is the part of Kitannas' theory I can believe.

Originally Posted by ”Bergil”

++Marcolie "DEATH" Laman

I don't suspect her in the least' but I must vote for someone.

He places a random vote right after Gurthang who by the way also votes for DEATH. He also claims it is a random vote in the title, a random vote that just so happens to occur right after someone else voted for the same person and make it a three way tie? Bearing in mind at the that time we did not know that a three way tie would not count and only two would be lynched. That just makes me go hmmmmm......

I just wanted to get some feed back on these ideas, if anyone else has similar thoughts. I am defiantly in no position to jump on to Rune right now but I will read and give some thought to it

P.S – for future reference I am indeed a she

[Eonwe]

The only thing i can think of against rune is the double lynching. Marcolie and Rune double posted, and were both trying to break the tie. Maroclie's actions were pure, as she was proven inncenct. We can conclude that if Rune is a wolf, than tar is probaly a wolf, because marc, glirdan and tar were tied. marc and glirdan were innocent, so rune would be saveing tar by voting marc. if you follow what im saying (sorry for being confusing). but rune isn't proved a wolf yet, and for my part, im willing to let him of on a cross posting error....for now...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

It seems that Kitanna is the one who wants me dead and what ever I do she belives I am Wolf. You decide who that incriminates the most. . .

Rune came in later and retied the votes for DEATH and Glirdan, thus sealing their fates. Now what can we gather from this. At least one wolf is hiding among those that caused a tie.

Rune~ Voted late (only about ten minutes before day was about to end)
Quote:
You have made me a bit suspisios of Glirdan and think less ill of DEATH.
Now here is a puzzle. “less suspicious of DEATH and more suspicious of Glirdan.” Now then why vote for DEATH when you could easily have prevented a double lynching.

I wish Rune had said something before I did this, but he has not. I said before I found Rune's vote from yesterday. Here are the two theories that have been stated about him.
A) He knew Wayne's vote wouldn't count and voted for DEATH to bring in a tie. A very wolfish thing to do.
B) He thought Wayne's vote would be counted and voted for DEATH to put her in the lead because then he'd look less suspicious when an innocent died. A very clever way of cover wolf prints.
Either theory makes Rune look bad and wolfish. But what also sets him off in my mind is the fact he suspected Glirdan more and yet in that same post he voted for DEATH. Taking into account possibilties A and B it still gives Rune a less than flattering image in my eyes.
Also Gurthang would have been a wise choice for Rune to attack at night. Gurthang mentioned him only once and it was to ask for reasons for his suspects. So a decision to kill Gurthang would leave no trail to Rune.Now to bring up what tar-ancalime said about Rune and his vote. At the time Rune voted DEATH had given a list of votes so far, excluding Wayne's. Now of course DEATH was not the mod, but also Wayne's vote could of course been overlooked. So assuming Rune was going off of DEATH's list then he would have seen the oppurtunity of bringing about a tie. Of course that is unlikey, but there is also the possibility of him realizing Wayne's vote would not be counted due to its format.

I am sorry if I have confused you earlyer, I will now try to make up for that!

There is no point in me, why I votet DEATH I allready told that. Let me tell you how little chance I had to know I was causing a dubbel lynch:

1. I did cross post and I did not know of the tie.
2. There was Wayens post witch none could know would not count !
3. Glirdan had a vote! It never accurd to me that a person with a chance too save him self would choose not too! (unless the cobbler)


Still I do not see my vote as a safe vote for a wolf! Some statet earlyer that a wolf would proberbly start bandwagoning, then a total anomynus vote would be more clever. This way I would stay in the shadows!

Kitana points me out becourse I had no conection to Gurthang, well that goes for like everybody! It seems like she realy wants me death.

either because she has fanges or she simply dislikes me !

[Bergil]

firstly, people have pointed out that my vote made it a 3-way tie last night. I cross-posted with Gurthang, when I typed that up Marcolie had no votes. Secondly, I suspect WayneTheGoblin because it's possible that his vote didn't count on purpose, So he could break a 3-way tie while leaving it unbroken. Draw your own conclusions on both arguments.

[sotty]

On the Rune issue and looking back at the actual times votes were casted this could all just be a misunderstanding

Wayne voted at 7.46pm
DEATH voted at 7.49pm
Rune voted at 7.49pm

The times I quote are in my timezone so most peoples will be different, but the key here is the minutes. Isn't it quite possible that they all just cross posted? If that is the case then this theory looses some weight. -

Originally Posted by ”Kitanna”

A) He knew Wayne's vote wouldn't count and voted for DEATH to bring in a tie. A very wolfish thing to do.
B) He thought Wayne's vote would be counted and voted for DEATH to put her in the lead because then he'd look less suspicious when an innocent died. A very clever way of cover wolf prints.
Either theory makes Rune look bad and wolfish. But what also sets him off in my mind is the fact he suspected Glirdan more and yet in that same post he voted for DEATH. Taking into account possibilities A and B it still gives Rune a less than flattering image in my eyes.

But what if he didn't see DEATHs or Waynes vote? Then none of the above apply.(accept the statement about Glirdan)

Originally Posted by ”Tar-ancalime”

But voting for the person who's already got a majority, when there are still 4 voters presumably to come and "cover his tracks," is a "safe" move, an "unobtrusive" move, one which could point either to a wolf hiding in the crowd, or to an unsure villager not wanting to cast any new suspicions.

This point on the other hand by Tar is quite true. Rune could have easily voted DEATH and viewed it as a safe vote. Personally I doubt I will be voting Rune based purely on that fact, I believe there are others more worthy of my suspicions and votes today. Do not read this post wrong, I am not claiming Rune to be innocent at all. I am just suggesting that most of the evidence against him could all just be circumstantial. Rune is still on my watch list after the "safe" vote but I cannot find any other evidence to use against him.

Bergil defended himself, all be it briefly and I have still yet to hear from Hiriel and my vote will probably end up on him

[wilwarin538]

Sorry for my absence. I was very busy today. I admit my vote is somewhat bandwagoning, but I rather that then not voting at all.

++Rune

if you are innocent, no hard feelings I hope.

[Bergil]

++WayneTheGoblin

before I forget. and remember, think before you vote. it'is a sad day for independance in Lower Taadfield, with all this bandwaggoning. Our dead population would not approve. I've asked them using my ouija board.

edit: I didn't really ask, that was an in-caracter comment.

[Kitanna]

In an amazing turn of events I made it on before day ended.

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

It seems that Kitanna is the one who wants me dead and what ever I do she belives I am Wolf. You decide who that incriminates the most. . .

I realize I am putting everything on the line if Rune turns out to be innocent, but I feel so confident toward his wolfishness that I'm going to do it and fight and defend my standpoint. If for some reason he is innocent I know the entire village will look to me. But I feel so certain he is a wolf I am willing to risk it.

[Hiriel]

Herm..Can't get on for any length of time, so, appologies. But I don't want to miss another vote again. It seems as though Rune has his own wagon now. I suspect him, but not enough to vote for him, and I am started to get a little suspicious of Kitana's attacks on him. That could just be Rune's frantic efforts to blame her and save himself, but I dunno. I'll be very interested to see what happens tonight and who Rune turns out to be, and by then I should have some good theories about who has a hairy complex. If Rune indeed is a wolf, it'll be a good justification of my gut paranoia, but also detramental to me, because I didn't vote the first day and didn't vote for a wolf the next. But I'm just not sure enough, and I'd rather not bandwagon. So, because I'm not sure enough about Rune, my vote goes to

++ Tar Ancalime

On account of his sudden, odd vote for KA, and my general suspecion carried over from Day I.

"P.S – for future reference I am indeed a she

So am I.

[sotty]

Originally Posted by ”Kitanna”

I realize I am putting everything on the line if Rune turns out to be innocent, but I feel so confident toward his wolfishness that I'm going to do it and fight and defend my standpoint. If for some reason he is innocent I know the entire village will look to me. But I feel so certain he is a wolf I am willing to risk it.

I myself will be in the same boat if Rune turns out to be a wolf after I made some points against your theory Kitanna. If your are so certain, then so be it, sometimes you just have gut feelings towards people that you just cannot shake and if there is any evidence towards that fact then the feeling just gets stronger. On that note I will

++ Hiriel

For waiting so long to vote that she missed the deadline.

[Eonwe]

well, allots happened. i need to read through, and draw some conclutions. i strongly discourage teh Rune Bandwagon. Kitanna, i don't think you really have much of a case. i know i've caused a double lynching by cross posting, and its pretty obvious that rune cross posted. so...taht's all for now, be back later with something of more value.

votes stand:

THE Ka: 1
Rune: 4
Wayne:1
Hiriel: 1
Tar: 1

so we have four left, if i count a-right.

ps. hiriel, all this time i thought you were a guy! oops, sorry.

[Holbytlass]

I didn't take into account timing of votes ( at myself), as far as the votes it looks better for Rune. I shall vote

++Sleepy Ranger

[THE Ka]

Well, this be my vote post.

Non-voting the first night as I have been able to guess was due to two reasons:
- New players unsure of voting, time zone miscalculations, first night pressure, ect.

- Early werewolf tactics and voting plans. The most agreed upon theory of finding out possible suspects (ex. 'werewolf in the crowd').

Now ,the second night should be more reasonable and clear away at least the first reason i've put. If it doesn't I would hold suspicions as well.

Not voting two nights in a row is a reason for suspicion, and remaining rather silent is another that could add to this factor. I do not really have any other reasons to vote this way than besides these, but if there are other reasons due to forgetting to put 'vote' in the title of the post and such I can understand that only so far. I do not 'bandwagon' in this intention, I only go with this vote based on reasoning, not what others may have voted before me.

++Wayne

Sincerely,

Ka