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Old 10-18-2005, 09:46 PM   #1
Shelob
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Alright...A couple of points before I must go.

1. Firefoot, thanks for saying you trust my innocene. However I note I'm still on your watch list, that's exactly the problem I'm in...innocent enough not to be lynched suspicious enough that the wolves won't kill me. Watch, good odds that I survive the night and am the cause of nothing but circular discussion upon the morrow.

2. Anguirel and Cailin are tied now, 3 for 3. I suggest either someone breaks the tie or adds me to it (incidently, if I seem somewhat suicidal today it's mostly because I've just realized I have another college visit which will knock me out the discussions on DAY 2...and I'd much rather go out on my own terms than because I "was being too quiet")

3. Voting, with M'lord Phantom's decree that in a case of a more-than-two way tie the first and last person to reach the tied number of votes are lynched it would right now be either Cailin and Anguirel, one or the other (of one's placed ahead) or one of them (Cailin as is now, possibly Anguirel if the votes could work out) and then either Boro or myself (since we're both now a vote short of the current tie)...depending on how that turns out we're going to have to consider and deduce the most advantagous places for wolves to have voted (even if it turns out to be early, and for someone completely different)

4. I've now moved Firefoot up somewhat on my list of suspicions...
>In my mind there's nothing to be gained by not lynching someone who asks to die. If we go into the Day saying "if someone asks to be killed we'll kill them" we make it impossible for anyone to try and double-double bluff their way to innocence. Look at it this way, a wolf comes into the day saying "I'll ask to be lynched. Clearly no wolf would ask for something so suicidal so they'll assume I'm innocent and I'll survive." Makes sense, right? Well if we're all coming in saying "If you ask to be lynched you'll be lynched" they can't do that.
>Working from that, and combining it with my belief that the wolves will want to keep me alive so as to act as an "unknown" and wolf-shield it makes even less sense to want to keep me around...you're playing right into the wolf's assumption that anyone asking to be killed will be assumed innocent and therefore not killed...
>I know Firefoot's not alone, a couple of you have expressed ideas saying "She wants us to kill her, no wolves want us to kill them, ergo she's innocent ergo we don't kill her"...Firefoot's just getting named because, well, because she commented on it first and I'm too tired to look up the rest of you...but you know who you are...and, presumably, the rest of you can go look them up yourselves...

Finally, as much as I'm asking to be killed, I understand the need to hunt down wolves rather than lynch "known" innocents (note the quotation marks, I strongly believe that except to the seer and wolves nobody actually knows another person to be innocent until said-suspected-person ceases to be, well, and the ranger--if their save worked, but that doesn't apply to us yet) for this reason if you decide to keep me alive into the next DAY of our hunt I will try to add what I can, though it'll likely only be an early comment and early vote...
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