The Silmarillion Survivor

[Gothmog]

Saucepan Man:

If you ask me, our beloved AngMod has been having far too easy a time of it recently. I think that it's time to start making things a little hard for him.

I've been giving him an hard time from the start, but it has resulted in nothing so far. But now I'm back from a 1 day break and prepared to take up the fight once more

Thou speakest truly wise, the sauciest of panmen... A fight between to rivaling dark forces would be quite spectacular. So let's do like the romans, give the masses blood.

arcticstorm:

I have been trying to treat a symptom without tackeling the sickness.

And this is something I've been trying to explain days ago. There's a risk that, like the hydra, two heads will grow out to replace the one we cut off, but still that will buy us time enough to organize a defence consisting of the free people of ME. Also, the diminished risk of valar and maia falling to the dark side has to be taken into consideration.

Morgoth is the source to all evil powers, it's he who created monsters like dragons and Carcharoth. Maybe we can prevent the creation of some dark creatures? For example, has anyone seen Ancalagon and his fellow winged dragons yet? No!

Therefor, lets stop evil in its path. It will create disorder in the ranks and a battle of the inheritance of the title as the most evil, wretched creature in Arda will begin.

++Morgoth Bauglir

Vote the only possible way! Vote for the foe of the world, all ours enemy nr 1! Vote for Melko!

[Anguirel]

Votes

Sauron-1
Thingol-1
Morgoth-3
Turgon-1

[Lalaith]

So let's do like the romans,

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well given that Ang is already trying to make like the ancient Egyptians, why not?

[Gothmog]

I'm sorry if I'm being slow here but: exactly what part of the ancient Egyptians doings are we talking about here? Not put 200 layers of bandage on people I guess? Or building those giant triangular, pointed houses with to thick walls and to few windows?

[Lalaith]

The part where they married their siblings...(I'm just teasing him btw, I know it's not the same thing)

[Anguirel]

I believe Lalaith takes issue with my flawless defence of Elves canonically marrying cousins...and hence refers you to the Ptolemies (who were in fact, of course, Greek...no hard feelings Lalaith)

[Lalaith]

No hard feelings at all, sweetie...especially as the Ptolemies were in their marriage customs merely adhering to old Egyptian customs...Rameses II for example married his sister and three of his daughters.

But this is all becoming not only most unedifying but also dangerously off topic.

[Anguirel]

Alright. I admit defeat! Now let's get on with the serious work of ejecting Turgon instead of poor maligned Morgy.

[Lalaith]

Of course...

...but there is the small problem of you having already voted to evict Eonwe....

[Lord Melkor]

Since the Dark Lord Himself is now under attack I have no alternative but to change my vote and call for the removal of Turgon. I mean, sure, a new Dark Lord may arise, but who has the style, the panache, the 'je-ne-sais-quoi?' of Melkor, first and foremost of all the Valar? And who, pray tell, has the personality and intelligence to replace him?

Varda: If I recall correctly she is jockeying for Manwe's position. Boring personality.

Yavanna: Too busy tending her precious trees, besides, being the Dark Lady would entail ruining all life. Obviously unsuitable.

Aule: Hmmm, interesting and the best choice (though still a far cry from Melkor). Still, he doesn't have Melkor's flair, though it would be funny if the Dwarves would follow their Maker and start fighting for the bad guys. I reckon Sauron would have no problems adapting to Aule's lordship and good old Curumo can come into his own as well. Still, Aule lacks the single thing that all Dark Lords should have: Style and class. I also reckon he is not nearly as smart as Melkor.

Tulkas: Too stupid.

Ulmo: Too non-descript.

Mandos: Mandos actively promoting his Doom? How amusing, but once again I say this candidate is too non-descript.

Nienna: Crybaby, therefore unsuitable for the position.

Orome: Too non-descript.

Face it people, the Valar are a bunch of weakwilled personalities, with Melkor being the one glorious exception. I'd say stick with him and allow him to stir things up so the game stays interesting. Remove him and before we know it we'll be reading about happy elves dancing around a tree. Boooooring! Melkor's keeps the game alive.

Furthermore, removing Melkor will only temporarily alleviate the attacks upon the Edain. Once a new Dark Lord has arisen the attacks will pick up again with new vigor, rendering Melkor's removal pointless and ensuring the failure of todays' task. No, in order to protect the humans we must mobilize all forces in Beleriand, making it imperative that all isolationists are removed. Therefore, my vote is changed to:

-- Thingol, ++ Turgon

[Anguirel]

Votes

Sauron-1
Morgoth-3
Turgon-2

Lalaith, if we get Turgon now we'll have Queen Idril...

[The Saucepan Man]

So let me get this straight. The proposition (promulgated by our supposedly unbiased moderator) is that we prevent the ravaging of the lands of Men by evicting one of those in a position to defend them ...

Hmm, interesting logic.

Originally Posted by Lord Melkor

And who, pray tell, has the personality and intelligence to replace him?

Mandos seems to be a great candidate to me. How can we tell if he's "too non-descript"? He's not been given an opportunity to shine thanks to the ease with which the Noldor were allowed to leave Aman. I think that he would make a superb Dark Lord. His gratuitous curse as the Noldor left showed his potential. And, as a Dark Lord, his curses would spice things up no end. Curses are a speciality of Mandos, whereas they are more of a side-line with Morgoth. So you see, Lal, we need not miss out on the curse of Hurin and his kin at all if Mandos replaces Morgoth.

[Lalaith]

The real question here is whether we are bound by the fate decreed by the AngMod, or whether we, as viewers and voters, have free will

Alas, Saucie, tis true. With apologies to Webster, we are merely AngMod's tennis-balls, struck and bandied which way pleases him.

On the other hand, the temptation to boot out Turgon is strong, and it was my idea originally so I don't feel too much of a tennis-ball by voting
++TURGON May he remember the Fen of Serech until it burns into his self-serving heart.