The Silmarillion Survivor

[arcticstorm]

I am calling for those of us in the Feanor camp who voted for the kingship of Curufin, to rethink their strategy and rally behind the older brother Maedhros, so that the kingship does not depart from the house of Feanor.

Later tonight I may change my vote from the doom of Mandos just so that I can save Curufin

[Anguirel]

But if Maedhros is High King, it will depart from the house of Feanor, because he's so noble he'll give up the crown to his uncle soon...I say Curufin is the Feanorian continuity candidate!

Interesting that Fingolfin's sons are both candidates. Deployed by the machiavel Fingolfin to split his opponents' vote...

I'm off for tonight. Voting will close tomorrow, 7:30 AM GMT, as it did yesterday...

[Boromir88]

I agree with Anguirel here...

For king- ++Curufin

Kick out...

++Osse, he's just an Ulmo wannabe.

[the phantom]

EVERYONE READ THIS POST, IT MIGHT MAKE YOU RECONSIDER YOUR CHOICES

But if Maedhros is High King, it will depart from the house of Feanor, because he's so noble he'll give up the crown to his uncle soon...

I don't think that is true.

Because we managed to avoid the kinslaying and all that, Feanor and his sons never ditched Fingolfin's host and left them in Valinor. Because of that, Maedhros has none of the guilt that he had in the book, and the people of Fingolfin have none of the emnity they had towards Feanor's house in the book. Those two things are what made Maedhros think it wise to hand over the crown in the book- but we avoided those two things, didn't we?

If we elect Maedhros now, he will not hand over the crown. He's the rightful king, and he won't feel bad about taking the crown.

He should definitely be picked before Fingolfin, because Fingolfin is probably going to be dying soon. For the sake of stability, we need a longer lived king.

And honestly, how can you pick Fingon or Turgon before Maedhros? Though after Fingolfin's death Fingon was considered the "high king", it is quite obvious in the book that Maedhros was the leader of the forces of good. Remember, there was an alliance of men, elves, and dwarves that nearly defeated Morgoth in the Fifth Battle of Beleriand, Nirnaeth Arnoediad.

Do you remember what that alliance was called? Was it called Friends of Fingon? No. Was it called Turgon's Triumvirate? No.

It was called the UNION OF MAEDHROS!

Maedhros was Morgoth's primary opponent, even while Fingolfin was alive. From the Silmarillion-

When nearly one hundred years had run since the Dagor Aglareb, Morgoth endeavoured to take Fingolfin at unawares (for he knew of the vigilance of Maedhros); and he sent forth an army....

As you can see, Maedhros appears to be more on the ball than even Fingolfin.

Maedhros is, without a doubt, the logical choice for king.

And another thing- don't worry about the relationships between the House of Feanor and Thingol, because the griefs that were between them in the books did not happen here. We prevented the kinslaying!

And so, for king...

+ + Maedhros

Our task is appointing a king, and simply electing Maedhros will solve that. The ONLY WAY we'll have TROUBLE with the task of appointing a KING is if we PASS OVER Feanor's house, thus causing a DISPUTE in the claim.

LISTEN to me, everyone. There is not a good reason to pass over Maedhros, and so if we unwisely do so PROBLEMS will come of it.

You NEED to vote for MAEDHROS for KING.

[Boromir88]

phantom makes sense...plus I like bandwagoning and being so indecisive...

--Curufin
++Maedhros

Though I still say kick out Osse. All the Maiar and Valar try to control everyone, who do they think they are?

[Glirdan]

I just reconsidered my vote for High King of the Noldor.

--Turgon ++Maedhros

Yes phantom, you brought me into the light. Now everyone bandwagon to me and vote off Osse!!

[the phantom]

As far as who to evict, yes, Osse is probably a good choice. He's always been a problem.

But let's think carefully. This is the first time where we've been able to evict whoever we want without having to consider the task of the day. Electing Maedhros will solve the kingship task, and so we are free to evict absolutely anyone.

I would certainly vote for Osse before Curufin- the other candidate who has been getting several votes.

In the book there was a lot of hostility towards the sons of Feanor from pretty much everyone. Wouldn't you like to give the sons a chance to live a normal life? We avoided the kinslaying, and so avoided all of the hostile feelings that existed in Beleriand. I say we give the sons of Feanor a chance- the chance that the Doom of Mandos never gave them.

This is part of the Doom of Mandos-

On the House of Feanor the wrath of the Valar lieth from the West unto the uttermost East, and upon all that will follow them it shall be laid also. Their Oath shall drive them, and yet betray them, and ever snatch away the very treasures that they have sworn to pursue. To evil end shall all things turn that they begin well...

We NEED to VOTE OFF THE DOOM OF MANDOS.

It is extremely unfair.

The Valar let Melkor loose amongst the elves, and when he influences them for the worse, they let him escape and punish the elves instead of heal them, which of course makes things worse.

And then when the elves understandably go to leave Valinor, Mandos curses them!

The elves don't do what he wants because of the stupid actions of his own kind (the Valar), and so he curses the elves for it! What an unfair, arrogant jerk!

I personally think that the Doom of Mandos needs to go.

It is not right, and it will continually cause problem after problem.

But unless everyone agrees to vote for it, I will probably have to vote for Osse to save Curufin.

Also, Aredhel might be a good choice to vote off.

If we get rid of her then there will be no Maeglin, and so he will not be captured by Morgoth and forced to reveal the location of Gondolin.

TO ALL OF YOU WHO VOTED TO EVICT CURUFIN- would you consider Aredhel as a compromise target? I'm sure you care deeply about the city of Gondolin. If we get rid of Aredhel, we could save the city.

This could be our only chance. We don't know what challenges and circumstances we will face the rest of the game. We might not get an opportunity to get rid of Maeglin or Eol before Gondolin falls.