LOTR Survivor - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Anguirel · 10-12-2005, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

And while the oft repeated complaint that Gimli and Legolas have no character is generally over-stated, there is, sad to say, some truth to it. Of all the principal characters, we learn the least of these two. And then there are Gimli's less attractive qualities. He is grim, dour, often irritable and rather "scratchy". I am afraid that he is hardly Mister Personality.

You claim he has no personality and go on to list his personal attributes! In the words of the great Boris Johnson, the true sign of a "muddleheaded mugwump".

It's his scratchiness that makes him endearing, old chap! You have this vitally important world-saving quest. On it is a po-faced Wizard, a pompous man, an angsty man, two Hobbits who start vaguely amusing but sober up, two Hobbits who start depressed and get more so, and an Elf without flaws.

And you have Gimli. Gimli has the courage to stand up to the consensus. To poke fun at dire misfortune. And yet also to behave with gravitas when demanded. Whenever Aragorn or Gimli get too irritating, earthy Gimli takes them down a peg, whether by teasing the stiff necks of the Elves, or by insisting on a decent rest. He insists on following Merry and Pippin, and when he is reunited with them, he is gruff and mock-outraged.

Gimli is a typical, British, stiff-upper lip, keep on going, pessimistic Dwarf. For fans of Narnia, he serves the Puddleglum role. For fans of Bored of the Rings, I give you this splendid line-

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Originally Posted by Gimlet son of Gloin

If he says Lo one more time I'll chop his head off.

Vote for Gimli, voice of reason!

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-12-2005, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Anguirel

You claim he has no personality and go on to list his personal attributes!

I didn't say that he had no personality, Ang. Admittedly he has more character than Hama, but he hardly compares with Merry.

But I'm not going to fight with you, Ang. Not any more. I have stated my view and I stand by it. And really, that's what this is (and always should have been) all about. People's own views ...

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-12-2005, 11:10 AM

Actually, I will add one more thing and leave it at that. Merry is the only one of the remaining contestants who wrote a book!

Anguirel · 10-12-2005, 11:13 AM

Really, Saucie, where's your spirit? I was ready for a good old punch-up!

My views are that Gimli's personality, whether crotchety or courteous, outclasses Merry's responsible niceness. He's the epitome, Saucie, of the "nice but dull" characters you have crusaded against. But you're not going to do the same to him, because he's a blimming chirpy Hobbit gentleman, and you bear him sentimental attachment. That be the truth o' it!

That's my view. Let's see if the voters of the Downs agree, and turn out to support the beleaguered Dwarf stalwart, and (say it with me, Lalaith...) Cavalier!

EDIT: Gimli Gloinsson's On the Sparkliness of Diamonds won the Erebor Booker Prize. Its Khuzdul language and ill-received Sindarin translation by L. Thranduillion, however, limited its audience and it never made it into the record of the Red Book...

Votes:

Hama 4
Merry 5
Gimli 5

Vote for Gimli, literary genius!

Kath · 10-12-2005, 11:20 AM

++MERRY!

He made it through almost undetected I can't believe it! I think Firefoot and Saucie have put it beautifully - here be my winner.

Anguirel · 10-12-2005, 11:29 AM

Where art thou, Folwren?

Dwarf-lovers, come hither,
Come hither m' dears
For Aglarond's Lord we must not shed sad tears
Defend him, vote for him, rally to him hither...

Elf-lovers, ye may as well do just the same
For an Elf-friend is something, yea, e'en a Dwarf
And your support Gimli the Gloinsson is worth
Defend him vote for him, rally to him hither...

For the threatening shadow of Hobbitry comes
Those devilish train-builders, schemers and fiends
They win votes by slander and wickedest means
So thwart them, vote Gimli, come hither!

Do ye want a warrior or a midget?
A peddler of pipes and embezzler of aught?
Or a valiant axeman who nails fell Orcs
Of Sauron? Then rally, come hither!

mormegil · 10-12-2005, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

But I'm not going to fight with you, Ang. Not any more.

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Originally Posted by Anguriel

Really, Saucie, where's your spirit? I was ready for a good old punch-up!

Contentious little rascal this one is. After Saucepan told him he didn't want to argue he still delivered his pre-prepared arguement for Gimli. By supporting Gimli all you are supporting is contention and discord. Hama is a clear underdog and needs your support. What a triumph it would be to declare him our Lord of the Rings Survivor Champion. It would show that we appreciate the unsung hero. That just because they aren't mentioned many times in the books that we don't lessen their contribution, we value him and what he did. Plus we have moved into the age of men and it should by right be his prize to claim

On a humorous side note: Anguriel over 20% of your total posts come from this thread alone

Anguirel · 10-12-2005, 11:32 AM

Yes. And yet it's quite remarkable how little I've achieved...

Votes

Hama-4
Merry-6
Gimli-5

the guy who be short · 10-12-2005, 12:09 PM

++Gimli the Majik

Do I really need to explain it?

Folwren · 10-12-2005, 02:31 PM

++Gimli!

Because he's a Dwarf and Dwarves are cool! I've really gotten to like them these past few months....

-- Folwren

(Man, Ang, did you really think I'd be late? Go-olly! What little faith!)

Anguirel · 10-12-2005, 02:33 PM

You made it, Folwren! Excellent...

Not that I doubted you for a moment, hem hem

Pah. Eowyn could have done it alone. Everyone knows the mystic Pankhurst-forged blades of the Suffragettes of the North are banes to the Nazgul...

The 1,000 Reader · 10-12-2005, 02:33 PM

++Merry.

He helped slay the Witch-King. That's good enough for me.

10-12-2005, 11:10 AM	#3
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Actually, I will add one more thing and leave it at that. Merry is the only one of the remaining contestants who wrote a book! __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-12-2005, 11:13 AM	#4
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Really, Saucie, where's your spirit? I was ready for a good old punch-up! My views are that Gimli's personality, whether crotchety or courteous, outclasses Merry's responsible niceness. He's the epitome, Saucie, of the "nice but dull" characters you have crusaded against. But you're not going to do the same to him, because he's a blimming chirpy Hobbit gentleman, and you bear him sentimental attachment. That be the truth o' it! That's my view. Let's see if the voters of the Downs agree, and turn out to support the beleaguered Dwarf stalwart, and (say it with me, Lalaith...) Cavalier! EDIT: Gimli Gloinsson's On the Sparkliness of Diamonds won the Erebor Booker Prize. Its Khuzdul language and ill-received Sindarin translation by L. Thranduillion, however, limited its audience and it never made it into the record of the Red Book... Votes: Hama 4 Merry 5 Gimli 5 Vote for Gimli, literary genius! __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso Last edited by Anguirel; 10-12-2005 at 11:17 AM.

10-12-2005, 11:20 AM	#5
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	++MERRY! He made it through almost undetected I can't believe it! I think Firefoot and Saucie have put it beautifully - here be my winner. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

10-12-2005, 11:29 AM	#6
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Where art thou, Folwren? Dwarf-lovers, come hither, Come hither m' dears For Aglarond's Lord we must not shed sad tears Defend him, vote for him, rally to him hither... Elf-lovers, ye may as well do just the same For an Elf-friend is something, yea, e'en a Dwarf And your support Gimli the Gloinsson is worth Defend him vote for him, rally to him hither... For the threatening shadow of Hobbitry comes Those devilish train-builders, schemers and fiends They win votes by slander and wickedest means So thwart them, vote Gimli, come hither! Do ye want a warrior or a midget? A peddler of pipes and embezzler of aught? Or a valiant axeman who nails fell Orcs Of Sauron? Then rally, come hither! __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-12-2005, 11:32 AM	#8
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Yes. And yet it's quite remarkable how little I've achieved... Votes Hama-4 Merry-6 Gimli-5 __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-12-2005, 12:09 PM	#9
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	++Gimli the Majik Do I really need to explain it?

10-12-2005, 02:31 PM	#10
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	++Gimli! Because he's a Dwarf and Dwarves are cool! I've really gotten to like them these past few months.... -- Folwren (Man, Ang, did you really think I'd be late? Go-olly! What little faith!) __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

10-12-2005, 02:33 PM	#11
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	You made it, Folwren! Excellent... Not that I doubted you for a moment, hem hem Pah. Eowyn could have done it alone. Everyone knows the mystic Pankhurst-forged blades of the Suffragettes of the North are banes to the Nazgul... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-12-2005, 02:33 PM	#12
The 1,000 Reader Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: I don't know. Eastern ME doesn't have maps. Posts: 527	++Merry. He helped slay the Witch-King. That's good enough for me.