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Old 10-05-2005, 07:46 PM   #1
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Poor Cailin, her sacrifice caught a wolf. Her extreme hinting in the end was a sacrifice for us so we must take it and have at least some innocents suvive because of her sacrifice.

Reading through I must agree, I appear to be a pretty strong possiblility of being dreamed to be a wolf. I won't be able to prove my innocence so if you must lynch me then don't keep me around to take attention away from those truly guilty.

I feel Azalelia to have been the one drempt and shown to be innocent, at least before the wolves got their fourth member.

In terms of SaucepanMan I have been persuaded that he is most likely not the ex-cursed, but I am not sure. We know he wasn't one of the original three at least...and it'd be more likely a quiet one had become the wolf instead of such a leader. We can't make assumptions though.

Most likely one wolf didn't vote for his or her peer and two did. I'd say at least one of these are within the last few to vote because at that point he was unsavable. The last four people were Me, Abercrombie, arctic, and Azaelia. I know I had an excuse to voting late, but it would not persuade anyone of my innocence. I had written up my post and went to submit it and lost wireless for an hour before I was able to actually vote because we were leaving school and I was trying to get it in before we got out of the wireless range.

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Abercrombie and
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because they were the only two within the last 4. Possibly Azaelia too if she was not the one drempt of.

on Alcarillo I don't know what to think. The actions seem one of a wolf, but could also be an innocent, and with the little defence I wonder if he hopes people will defend him if he doesn't defend himself...

In terms of wilwarin I feel wolf. Hasn't posted much of value, and partnered with one of the three who didn't vote for Eomer and my theory that one didn't, the most suspicious one becomes even more suspicious.

In terms of Morm I feel a possible ex-cursed. Definitally not one of the original three but as a vicitim makes sense, and hasn't helped at all since we were unfortunately cursed. I wouldn't say I suspect him half as much as I did Eomer yesterday, but I can't cast him off as an innocent.

Boro and Form I suspect to be innocent, Form because of voting for Sauce yesterday instead of a wolf-on-wolf vote. (or was it bluffing?) and Boro because of the overall helpfulness.


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Wilwarin
Morm

Middle suspision
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Middle/Low suspision
Azaelia
Alcarillo
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Low Suspision
Marcolie
Saucepan Man



I know this will be cross-posted with some so sorry for repetitions
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Old 10-05-2005, 08:20 PM   #2
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I hope that no ill comes of this, but I feel that it will help the greater good even though it's likely I will die. I am the Hunter! I attempted to hint to SpM in saying that I know he's not gifted but seemingly he has me stuck in his head as a wolf and won't reconsider . Now I do this because it will help give some clarity to our councils and cut out this seemingly endless blather about Mormegil being guilty.

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In terms of SaucepanMan I have been persuaded that he is most likely not the ex-cursed, but I am not sure. We know he wasn't one of the original three at least...and it'd be more likely a quiet one had become the wolf instead of such a leader. We can't make assumptions though.
This was my goal, I wanted people realize that SpM is not necessarily innocent. I agree it's not likely he's a wolf but let's please keep that in mind that we can't assume.
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Old 10-05-2005, 09:03 PM   #3
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Tolkien Affable wolves...thou speakest false!

Good try Morm the wolf. But alas! You are not the hunter, because I am! I surely expect to die tonight at the paws of your murderous devious little fellows.

Saucepan, your suspicions of the treachrous deviant are completely based in reason. You've already set out detailed claims of mistrust against Morm, so I shall not repeat them. I cannot stress this enough Do not hesitate to ask for more proof on my part , for I am willing to give. But as of right now, I have quite a lot of studying to be doing and I can't provide it. It is quite clear to me, who at least one wolf is tonight.
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Old 10-05-2005, 09:10 PM   #4
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Good try Morm the wolf. But alas! You are not the hunter, because I am! I surely expect to die tonight at the paws of your murderous devious little fellows.
Interesting! Unless our Moddess made a mistake, which isnot likely, your claims of huntership are patently false. I must say that I am glad that I stepped forward because now I know my death will not be in vain, for if I am lynched today I will bring you down with me. But as to your lynching or mine, I will let the village decide that fate.


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It is quite clear to me, who at least one wolf is tonight
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Old 10-05-2005, 09:18 PM   #5
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Good grief! Well, there's a turn of events!

So, unless anyone else comes along and claims to be the Hunter ( ), we know for sure that either morm or Abercrombie is a Wolf.

My inclination is to trust Abecrombie. If she was a Wolf, she would surely not claim to be the Hunter simply in reaction to a declaration by a mormegil-Hunter, as she is not in particular danger at this time. Given what has been said so far to-Day, a Wolf-mormegil is more likely to claim to be the Hunter than a Wolf-Abercrombie. Plus I had mormegil pinned as a Wolf in any event.

What do the others think?
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Old 10-05-2005, 09:29 PM   #6
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My inclination is to trust Abecrombie. If she was a Wolf, she would surely not claim to be the Hunter simply in reaction to a declaration by a mormegil-Hunter, as she is not in particular danger at this time. Given what has been said so far to-Day, a Wolf-mormegil is more likely to claim to be the Hunter than a Wolf-Abercrombie. Plus I had mormegil pinned as a Wolf in any event.
Oddly this makes me feel that SpM is innocent. Let me explain, I am along with AoR (and her two mates) are the only ones who know the whole truth. I find it difficult that a Wolf-SpM would come to her defense after such a blunder. Because when it is found that I am innocent then we will know AoR is guilty and that would naturally implicate SpM as suspicious. But by his coming to believe in her makes me think he is simply a misguided innocent. I offer myself to be lynched today because I know that I will be able to kill a wolf now, whereas at night I have no guarantee.
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I offer myself to be lynched today because I know that I will be able to kill a wolf now, whereas at night I have no guarantee.
Well, clearly we should lynch one of you as, if we get the wrong one, he or she will take the Wolf in Hunter's clothing with him/her.

But which one?

Thoughts anyone?
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Another day... another great loss... And already the Villagers-that-be are fighting- and this time they fight over which one is the Hunter: Mormegil or Abercrombie?

And so, my list:

Saucepan Man: As noted yesterday, Eomer's conviction goes miles towards helping exonerate Sauce. Unless he's our Cursed Wolf, which to me seems unlikely now, he is definitely a villager, it would seem. Cailin's faith in him prior to yesterday backs that up.

Boromir88: I trusted Boromir yesterday, and his successful diagnosis of the Wolf-Eomer only serves to firm up my feeling that he is, in fact, a most likely innocent villager.

Mormegil: I trusted Mormegil yesterday, but the fact that he didn't vote for Eomer- at a very crucial time too, when Eomer was leading in votes, but still at an early, indecisive, stage, is most distressing- as is his status as one of the claimants to the Hunter title. Thus far, I'm tempted to think Abercrombie the Wolf- but not definitively. In any case, Mormegil seems VERY suspicious.

Wilwarin: That Wilwa went along with Mormegil right after he started the Alcarillo distraction gives me reason to think that she could be another wolf. If anything, I suspect her MORE than Morm, since he COULD just possibly be the Hunter (although I think it unlikely at the moment).

Marcolie Lamen: Seems very unlikely right now to be anything other than an innocent villager. The only strike against her is that she's quiet- but as my own case shows, that doesn't necessarily indicate guilt, only a reason for a quiet suspicion. However, with bigger targets like Morm and Wilwa on the horizon, I am willing to pronounce her innocent- for now.

Abercrombie of Rohan: Seems more likely than Morm to be the Hunter, but the if she's NOT the Hunter, then she's definitely the Wolf. However, she seems a more likely hunter if only on the basis of the fact that she DID vote for Eomer yesterday, whereas Mormegil started, or tried to start, a diversionary vote.

Arcticstorm: I still don't trust Arcticstorm 100%, but his vote WAS the deciding one that killed off Eomer. I suppose it's possible he saw what way the wind was blowing, and wanted to avoid suspiction... No judgment here, just a cautious note to watch him.

Azaelia of Willowbottom: Seems suspicious. Her vote for Eomer came after he was already convicted de facto. Is it just an attempt to ingratiate herself with the Villagers, or is it a sign that she is one of them? Somehow, it seems easier to picture it as the former...

Alcarillo: This guy has me stumped. The fact that Morm and Wilwa voted for him in their attempt to upset the Eomer bandwaggon suggests that he is an innocent, but it COULD be the fourth wolf, keeping a low profile. What's more, he doesn't vote for ANYONE, which is even more suspicious, in my opinion. If Morm and Wilwa ARE the Wolves, then he's my bet for the last member of the quartet.

Overall, I think it will be clear who my big suspicions are: Morm and Wilwa. Their behaviour yesterday, and even more so the behaviour of Morm regarding the Hunter, strikes me as dangerous.

I would say that it would be best to strike down Wilwa. IF by some chance Morm is innocent, we will know when he dies tomorrow- and thus be certain that Abercrombie is a wolf...
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Old 10-05-2005, 09:50 PM   #9
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edit: what I had said wasn't true and I just realized.

Of the two I'm more inclined to trust Abercrombie because Morm is on suspect list anyways...but that may be why the wolves are trying to take him down..
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Old 10-05-2005, 10:05 PM   #10
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I've told you my motives for telling you. I had no clue that AoR would falsely claim it and I truly thought that it would clear up our discussions today not cloud them more. I wanted to get my name off the suspect list so we could discuss true wolves and get away from me the Hunter. But again lynching me is okay because I will take AoR down with me, thus making my death worthwhile.

But what I would like to see happen is continued discussion as to who the other wolves may be so this day isn't wasted solely on AoR and me.
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Old 10-05-2005, 10:07 PM   #11
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Another possibility is for us to lynch neither if we had strong suspisions on someone else. The wolves wouldn't be able to kill the hunter without losing one of their own at night too and we'd be able to watch the two of them for more suspicious activity. The wolf would know that, yes, but we wouldn't kill the hunter randomly and we may have better luck this way. Of course, this can not be over done and the hunter cant' be kept as an innocent forced to be kept alive too long or the wolves will manage to take over, but knowing that one of two people is a wolf may help us later on when we may have better chance of knowing which one is the wolf and which is the hunter.

Just something else to consider. We don't need to lynch one of these two. We need to at some point, but it may be best to keep our options open at this moment.

Either way we should at least discuss the other wolves to some degree.
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Old 10-06-2005, 05:08 AM   #12
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Boro, I am pretty confident that you are innocent too. You and I have one suspect in common (wilwarin), but I would ask you to take a close look at mormegil.~Sauce
Indeed I have and now I will be so bold as in to say Wilwarin and Morm are both WOLVES. Mormegil has been a lot like Eomer in attacking Sauce. This is what the wolves have to do. To kill him would be far too dangerous and incriminating so they try to scheme up these wild possibilities and theories, that seem appealing but really have no basis behind them.

And Eomer and Morm seemed to be quite chummy between eachother yesterday...
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To kill Sauce would be far to incriminating, especially if he was right on who are remaining wolves are (which I think he is), so they scheme up a plan to use against him to try to get him lynched. It's funny how I felt the same things that Mormegil was thinking of Sauce at first. I thought I wouldn't doubt it if Eomer and Sauce are both wolves going at eachother to fool everyone. But, once realizing Sauce wasn't an original wolf, and I doubt he's the ex-cursed, I backed off, while Mormegil still tries to push it.

I'd say Mormegil is our wolf and Abercrombie is our hunter. Why did Mormegil reveal his identity? There was no reason to. Really only Sauce was breathing down his neck, I was skepticle, but now it's very apparent to me morm's a wolf trying to get away with his treachery.

Abercrombie's revealing of herself makes perfect sense, because Abercrombie's the hunter and morm was lying when he revealed himself. There was no need to spout out he was the hunter, it was an attempt to get all of our suspicions off of him. If Mormegil was the hunter, there was no reason to reveal himself, he wasn't under that much suspicion, only from Sauce. Thankyou Abercrombie for stepping up, and letting us find another of these lupines.. If you didn't pick wilwarin tonight, I would suggest you to hunt wilwarin if the wolves go after you. But that's just my suggestion, you are the one who has to decide.

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If that's hard to follow about, basically between who to believe morm or Abercrombie...

IF mormegil was the hunter, why did he feel the need to reveal his identity? To me there was no reason behind it, he acted like we forced him out of it. Which means he obviously is a wolf, trying to throw away suspicion, and get away with his treachery. Why he revealed himself just doesn't make sense IF he was the hunter, which makes him a wolf.

Abercrombie, if she was the hunter, she needed to reveal herself and I'm glad she did. If morm's trying to pass as the "real" hunter, it makes perfect sense for the true hunter to come out and say, hey I'm the hunter here. Morm's "I'm the hunter" was an attempt to stop suspicion from building up, and I'm glad Abercrombie has stepped up and revealed her identity. We now have another wolf down.
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Great game, everyone. I well deserve the name "Wrong-Way Azaelia" for this one. Brilliantly played, Alcarillo. Absoloutely amazing.

I must pose a question to Formendacil: Why were you so sure I was a werewolf that you thought you could just put yourself out there and say "WEREWOLF!!"? What did I do wrong? (Well that would be a very long answer!)

This was SO MUCH FUN. I lasted longer than I ever have in a game of WW...and that last day was a kind of warped fun, pleading for my life was an interesting experience!

Good job, all!
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My wolves Eomer, Abercrombie, Alcarillo and Arcticstorm.

I swear I folded a sheet of paper in 16 equal size parts, wrote everyones name and split them up. Then I had my three darling gals take turns and pick the special roles, mixing in between pickings. So it was coincidental I had 3 A's and all vowel names for the wolves. And believe me, I had to keep looking in my notes to keep them straight, especially with Alcarillo and Arcticstorm.

This was an exciting game and I was not rooting for a specific side to win, but there were defintely times I had know idea where things were headed. I'm really pleased that you all liked the storyline, and thanks again for the reps.

But I am glad to get my life back , my brain is fried and I want to read WWJr I game and hop on board with LOTR Survivor.
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I must pose a question to Formendacil: Why were you so sure I was a werewolf that you thought you could just put yourself out there and say "WEREWOLF!!"? What did I do wrong? (Well that would be a very long answer!)
Remember that analysis of you and Alcarillo on the last day? Where I went a listed voting records and such? What you see there is what was going on in my mind... Quite frankly, I thought then, and I still think, that you were the one who had the more incriminating voting record.

And, by the way, a great deal of thanks to Boromir and all those who kept up their day-after voting tallies. Those things were a lifesaver (no pun intended).

The thing is that I am really bad on picking up hints from seers and such. All that I really good with working with is the actual votes... and my analysis was that your voting habits were worse than Alcarillo's... although we all looked pretty bad there at the end.

As for my "vibes" from the earlier days regarding you being suspicious... nothing but groundless feeling. I could blame it on the "z" in your name, and that would be as true as any other reason I could come with. Except maybe your quietness. I suspect quiet players of being Werewolves a lot more than the noisy ones...
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Please tell me that is a typo... or something...
The neg rep button lies nearby.

Great game, all, although I didn't get to watch it as closely as I wanted to. Once again Saucey is innocent; & once again the game comes down to that horrible one wolf - two villagers decision that is so tough to call.

As Holby knows quite well by now, I really enjoyed her death scenes. Each & every mod has done a great job, but Holby is near the top of my favorites list.
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