Welcome to Tol-in-Gauroth XI 'Fall of the Fall'

[Boromir88]

And what's this? Boromir88 votes for Eomer and offers no reason!~Eomer

Aye, but I did offer a reason. You just have to look for it. As I said in post 161

I got a bad feeling about Eomer, if you want to know scrounge through posts yesterday and try to find it. I wish to not incriminate anyone.

Don't you know also, if you do turn out to be innocent we know who two wolves are.

Now, I have yet to make up my mind in this whole debate of Eomer and SpM. I don't know if one is guilt, both are guilty or neither are guilty.~mormegil

I think tomorrow's death will shed more light on the matter. I agree in what you said earlier that if Eomer does turn out to be a wolf we shouldn't automatically say Sauce and Cailin are innocent. Depending on who's killed next by the wolves, will shed more light on whether they are both innocent, both guilty, or one-one.

The person I strongly feel is a wolf is Alcarillo.

It would appear so, but it just seems to obvious and you have to ask would a wolf be that obvious? Only two reasons can explain Alcarillo's voting behavior, he's an innocent convinced by argument, doesn't have a lot of time to get on, so can't really come up with anything, or he's a wolf. I just don't think a wolf would be this obvious, but you have to question it.

[wilwarin538]

I suppose its voting time then. I personaly am not suspicious of SpM, and only slightly of 'Mer. Since I was only really suspicious of Perky beofre now there isn't really anyone I have been suspicious of before now. So I will vote for:

++Alcarillo

Mainly because there isn't any one else I could think to vote for and I don't want to get on the Eomer bandwaggon incase he is innocent. I would rather not give myself more suspicion by doing so.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Who could possibly vote for Eomer? He's so loveable...

I'll take my death for the good of the village, though. Think better of me if it turns out that way. At least I recognise that the village will be in extremely good stead tomorrow.

I dislike admitting to stupidity but I don't understand you Boromir. I know it sounds like it's dangerous for anyone to press you on your reasoning but I really don't realise why you're voting for me. Couldn't you be more straight-forward and gladden my heart just a little bit? If not then don't. The wolves will be scrabbling for clues everywhere.

And to ease my situation somewhat, I am now going to spend what seems likely to be my last few hours at a ceilidh. I'll try and have fun.

Until next time...

[Márcolië Lamen]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I'll take my death for the good of the village, though. Think better of me if it turns out that way. At least I recognise that the village will be in extremely good stead tomorrow.

Assuming you are innocent, a death of an innocent for the good of the village? Doesn't make sense.

I would be voting for Eomer now but I'm afraid of bandwagoning... so instead I'll hold off on voting to see if another innocent vote would be needed for strategy of weeding out the wolves.

[The Saucepan Man]

I know that I am usually one for spreading out the votes, but I would suggest that those villagers who are innocent cast their vote either for Eomer or for me. Because, if neither of us is eliminated, we are going to go through this whole Eomer v SpM thing again to-Morrow. And, if to-Day's lynchee turns out to be innocent, you cannot afford to make a mistake to-Morrow.

To-Day, you can afford to make a mistake. That mistake would be to vote for me, but at least it would point you in the right direction for to-Morrow. So, I would rather that you cast your vote for me than for someone who may well turn out to be innocent and then have to go through this whole thing again to-Morrow. Of course, I would advise you to vote for Eomer, but it is for you to make up your minds.

I think that it's a fairly safe bet, from your point of view, that either Eomer or SpM is a Wolf, so I would counsel you to choose between us.

Incidentally, I would not be quite so forthright in offering this advice if I strongly suspected Alcarillo, the only other candidate for lynching who has been put forward so far to-Day. But I have no reason to strongly suspect Alcarillo, other than for his quietness. And that's a trait shared by a number of villagers. I would regard a vote for Alcarillo to-Day as risky.

[Formendacil]

Curious...

By his suggestion here that this be a two-way race, Saucepan Man is either very craftily and wolfishly saving his own skin, while pretending to look innocent, knowing that the wind is blowing Eomer's way. On the other hand, it could be an honest attempt to help straighten things out, and lead to a victory by us villagers over the Werewolves...

I am still not decided as to which way to vote, but I agree that we should keep it between Saucepan Man and Eomer, for the sake of simplifying tomorrow's ramifications.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

AbercrombieofRohan - Someone who has not attracted much suspicion yet, but we should not forget about. She did not vote the first day, but claimed she would have voted Perky (not really such a great excuse now, huh?) and steadily votes for Perky the next day.

Ahem, read again Cailin, I voted for articstorm.

Abercrombie-not attracted much suspision, which is the main reason I'm suspicious of her, either as a ex-cursed, or as a wolf. I wouldn't find Abercrombie suspicious except for it seems like the wolves are always who you least expect. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt for now though.

I would call your attention to this:

Day 1:

Eomer and AbercrombieOfRohan both jumped on Formendacil's case, after Saucepan Man mentioned his suspicions of him. Are they werewolves trying to subtly lead the village into lynching an innocent?-Cailin

Abercombie also seems to have been following along with my train of thought to an extent. This unnerves me, since I am worried that one or both of them may be trying to identify themselves with me. -SPM

You said that you do not trust me because I am an asset to the Village and because I seem to be trying to weed out the Wolves. An innocent mistake - or a Freudian slip? -SPM

Well, if they don't vote, I shall expect explanations from Abercrombie and Arcticstorm tomorrow. -SPM

And so on and so forth... I take it you catch my meaning? I have been suspected, perhaps not as much as say, articstorm or Saucepan Man, but I still have.

Also, what kind of suspicion is suspecting someone because they haven't garnered any suspicion? Is it my fault that I haven't gained suspicion? Shall I put some more suspicion on myself? I'm just pointing out that it seems ridiculous to suspect someone because they've been ignored. Not that I want suspicion, but hey, I don't particularly want to act cobblerish and get myself lynched over here.

On to the SPM/Eomer thing:

I think both of them are wolves and they are attempting to pull off one of the old "go for each other's jugulars to avoid suspicion if one of us get's lynched" things. They've alternated suspicion, yesterday was SPM's day and today is Eomer's, but unfortunatley for them, it appears one of them will probably get lynched today. Unless some new evidence comes to light, I shall probably vote for one of them today.

[Cailín]

Ahem, read again Cailin, I voted for articstorm.

Sorry, AoR... My mistake.

I have to say you seem rather insulted by the attacks on you, while there is simply not anyone here who has not at least gathered some sort of suspicion. Be careful.

Eomer's vote is a bit more difficult to fathom, and I hesitate to make an predictions based on it, at this time.

Of the two, I am inclined to think Eomer the Werewolf at this time.

But I shall save my vote for a later hour.

I'd ask you, Form, and any other innocent villager still holding their votes to please make a decision soon. The longer you hold your votes, the more chance the wolves have of manipulating the voting so it will go their own way. Also, SpM has it right toDay. One of them has to go and spreading out the votes will not be very helpful - we might lose another innocent and be in the exact same situation tomorrow.

The wolves know who they can trust. We do not. They have that as a major advantage. Do you honestly believe there is anything anyone could still say toDay to make you trust either Eomer or SpM? I don't think so. Except, perhaps, a straightforward comment from the Seer, but that is not very likely to happen. Follow your instincts here, because SpM and Eomer are admittedly both strong players with clever reasoning abilities.

They are not both innocents. They have not been furry pals from the beginning. It is highly unlikely they are both wolves, though they may be trying to clear each other by having us lynch one of them today. So what? At least we'll have caught a wolf.

I know I have nothing solid to back this up. *dramatic sigh* But whatever the turn out tonight, I will die for it. What more can I give than my life?

You'll never hear me say this again. But please. Join the bandwagon.

Who could possibly vote for Eomer? He's so loveable...

I know, we're all having a hard time.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Cailín

I'd ask you, Form, and any other innocent villager still holding their votes to please make a decision soon. The longer you hold your votes, the more chance the wolves have of manipulating the voting so it will go their own way. Also, SpM has it right toDay. One of them has to go and spreading out the votes will not be very helpful - we might lose another innocent and be in the exact same situation tomorrow.

Well, I'm flattered to know you believe me innocent. Such a statement is hard to come by in these troubled times. Do not fear for the manipulation of my vote. I shall vote how I want to, when I want to, with little fear of being too badly manipulated.

As of this time, however, Eomer already has what is essentially a convicting vote: 6 out of 12, and no retractable votes allowed.

I'm going to stick with my older gut feeling and vote ++Saucepan Man, though it does no good (or evil) now. I still think him the more likely suspect, on whole. The Eomer bandwaggon, although it FEELS right, doesn't seem to have as much SUBSTANCE behind it as it ought...

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Cailín

The wolves know who they can trust. We do not. They have that as a major advantage. Do you honestly believe there is anything anyone could still say toDay to make you trust either Eomer or SpM? I don't think so. Except, perhaps, a straightforward comment from the Seer, but that is not very likely to happen. Follow your instincts here, because SpM and Eomer are admittedly both strong players with clever reasoning abilities.

Originally Posted by Cailin

Saucepan Man - I trusted him yesterDay (which is pretty obvious when you look at the way I voted) and still am pretty much convinced he at least wasn’t an original wolf.

I think this shows one thing and only one thing. SpM was innocent to begin with. It doesn't mean that he didn't turn wolf the other night. Again I want to emphasize that I am not certain that my wacky theory has any merit but I think that we need to recognize that it's possible.

Originally Posted by Cailin

Arcticstorm - I trust arcticstorm far more than yesterDay, but I don’t think he’s entirely cleared just yet. I very much hope he turns out to be a wolf, so we weren’t wrong about everything. On the other hand, he voted for Perky, following me, more or less because I asked him to (yeah, that was an oops), which would be risking thing to do if he were a wolf indeed

Now this looks good for Articstorm, my guess is that she dreamt of him after all of the initial suspicion but didn't want to outright say it. My suspicion of him has lessened but not vanished.

Originally Posted by Cailin

Marcolie - I said I’d be keeping an eye on you, but I failed miserably. I seriously distrust you now, especially since you voted so strangely yesterday. Certainly, Azaelia was on most people’s suspect list by then, especially after Perky bravely decided to reveal himself, but it’s a very easy vote, for you are not suffering from post-Day 2 trauma right now, as most of us secretly are.

This seems pretty close to an accusation. That would mean that Cailin dreamt of SpM, Eomer, Articstorm and Marcolie. Now I could be wrong but this is by far the strongest suggestion she gave besides Eomer.

Originally Posted by Cailin

My suspect list, as of now:

1) Eomer
2) Marcolie / AbercrombieofRohan
3) Wilwa / Boromir
4) Formendacil

Let's keep this in mind while our discussion begins. I think there is wisdom in it. Notice that Marcolie ranked 2nd on the list.

[Márcolië Lamen]

There is good in voting for a suepct that is going to be repeatedly taking attention away from everyone else, even if it does cause a type of bandwagoning. But at tghe same time, it'd require a loss of a day of trail for the wovles, since they could easily have followed 'innocently' in the bandwagoning. Do not vote for Eomer or Saunce if you don't feel them, but instead feel another guilty. It'd just lead to over the top bandwagoning. However, more importantly, if you feel them guilty do not hesistate to vote either.
So with that I must vote for who I truely feel guilty
++Eomer

[Boromir88]

I dislike admitting to stupidity but I don't understand you Boromir. I know it sounds like it's dangerous for anyone to press you on your reasoning but I really don't realise why you're voting for me.~Eomer

You'll see all in good time, all in good time, though you might not live to see why.

The wolves know who they can trust. We do not.

And you never want to trust someone that says trust me. So, Cailin...trust me.

Votes so far:

Eomer (4)
Sauce
Cailin
Boromir
Marcolie

Alcarillo (2)
Mormegil
wilwarin

Sauce (1)
Eomer

With...Azaelia, arctic, Formendacil, Alcarillo, Abercrombie left to vote.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Might as well join the bandwagon.

++Eomer

Also, Cailin, I didn't mean for you to think I was insulted. It was more along the lines of mock horror/sacrcasm. I suppose I should've added a smiley or two...