Red Flows the Sirannon Planning/Discussion Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Folwren · 10-02-2005, 07:42 PM

I'm unsure on the course of things at present. Well, not the course of things just now, but what they will be shortly - concerning the Dwarves.

We've set it up in our Halls that we're going to be escourting the women and children out through the mountain. But if that's the case, I'm thinking that we're going to have to start doing that as soon as possible. We don't want to wait until the black army is surrounding the place and they're under siege. That's not very logical.

Another question - is our mission going to work, or is everyone going to be killed? I understand that somehwere in all this, Elrond is coming in, but at the same time, he's going to be too late for the city.

As you can probably tell, I'm completely confused. Pio can probably answers best, seeing as she's taking care of a Dwarf, too. Can you explain, for the Dwarves part?

-- Folwren

Arry · 10-04-2005, 04:35 PM

Folwren

I've left Skald getting drunk in the kitchen . . . if you wish, little brother can come in and ask what the heck's going on.

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I'm not too sure what the Dwarves are supposed to be doing. I do know that when Elrond arrives, the forces of Sauron have almost destroyed the city and that a great number of them turn on Elrond's forces and attack. The Dwarves rush out of Khazad-dum and attack Sauron's forces from behind.

This gives Elrond and his group time to gather what refugees there are and make for the area that will be Rivendell. the Dwarves battle Sauron's army and retreat as they do so back into the mountain, firmly shutting the Gate against any intrusion of Sauron's men and creatures.

What does anyone else think?

piosenniel · 10-04-2005, 05:38 PM

Durelin

What do you want the Dwarves to be doing at this point?

We're pretty much down to the grand battle, aren't we? Shall we be plunging into that soon?

~*~ Pio

EDIT - from a previous post of mine to this thread:

Elrond is chosen to aid the Elvensmiths in 1695. For what ever reasons, it will take the Lindon Elves until 1697 to come near Eregion. Sauron sends his troops against them and they are unable to enter Eregion at all, despite the additional aid they receive from a group of Lorien Elves led by Celeborn. Eregion is destroyed, Ost-in-Edhil in ruins.

Elrond and Celeborn's troops are nearly destroyed by Sauron and company - when King Durin III of Moria sends some Dwarven troops along with another group of Lorien Elves against Sauron's troops from the rear.

Sauron's army turns its focus on the Dwarves and Lorien Elves, driving them back to Moria - the West-gate, which faces Eregion, is then shut tightly against Sauron's troops and none can enter.

Elrond takes advantage of the changed focus of the enemy and with what remains of his men, along with some refugees from Eregion that he picks up along the way, he retreast northeast to the hidden valley where he will establish Imladris.

Sauron, in the meantime, sweeps east over Eriador, heading toward Lindon.

Folwren · 10-04-2005, 07:10 PM

Arry

Ha! That's exactly what I thought when I read your post. That really cracks me up. Poor Skald...

Pio

What you said was what I had in mind, but I thought that we might be doing something slightly different. That's fine, though.

I may get a post up sometime this evening.

-- Folwren

piosenniel · 10-04-2005, 07:20 PM

Well, I do think we Dwarves are ferrying Lorien Elves through the mines. At some point we will take Celeborn and a group to the city. and then there should be a final group of lorien Elves that will attack from the rear with us.

~*~ Pio

Firefoot · 10-06-2005, 08:01 PM

Grimkul's pretty intent on leaving army life forever - someone better stop him, quick!

Durelin · 10-07-2005, 03:12 PM

Sorry everyone. But here I am.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pio

What do you want the Dwarves to be doing at this point?

We're pretty much down to the grand battle, aren't we? Shall we be plunging into that soon?

First I will answer your second question. We're plunging into the battle as soon as everyone's ready. My post says that the army is preparing to attack before dawn, and I have set it as late evening in Eregion. As long as this does not ruin plans of the Orcs or anyone else, this will stay, and we will be starting the battle as soon as possible.

As to the Dwarves...is it settled that the Dwarves will be the 'double too late' rescue party, that frees up the Elves enough to make a retreat? Or is that perhaps too complicated? It could become quite messy, with two different rescue parties. It could also work quite well, though. I'd like the Dwarves to continue having full reign over what they do, so please let me know what you think.

EDIT: Looking at the timeline of events again, I realize that the Dwarves 'rescue' is definitely after Ost-in-edhil is already in ruins. So, here's a possiblity: After Ost-in-edhil has been destroyed, those who have escaped will hide in the small surrounding woodlands, and Maegisil will start to take a bit of command, gathering the survivors up as best he can, hopefully with the help of Narisiel, Cainenyo, and anyone else. The Lindon and Lorien Elves, and the Dwarves, would continue fighting to drive back Sauron's forces. Then our Eregion survivors could be picked up.

What does everyone think?

Perhaps for the Dwarves could have King Durin III asking of his people whether or not they should help the Elves against Sauron...or something of that nature...

10-02-2005, 07:42 PM	#1
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	I'm unsure on the course of things at present. Well, not the course of things just now, but what they will be shortly - concerning the Dwarves. We've set it up in our Halls that we're going to be escourting the women and children out through the mountain. But if that's the case, I'm thinking that we're going to have to start doing that as soon as possible. We don't want to wait until the black army is surrounding the place and they're under siege. That's not very logical. Another question - is our mission going to work, or is everyone going to be killed? I understand that somehwere in all this, Elrond is coming in, but at the same time, he's going to be too late for the city. As you can probably tell, I'm completely confused. Pio can probably answers best, seeing as she's taking care of a Dwarf, too. Can you explain, for the Dwarves part? -- Folwren __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

10-04-2005, 04:35 PM	#2
Arry Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 704	Folwren I've left Skald getting drunk in the kitchen . . . if you wish, little brother can come in and ask what the heck's going on. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not too sure what the Dwarves are supposed to be doing. I do know that when Elrond arrives, the forces of Sauron have almost destroyed the city and that a great number of them turn on Elrond's forces and attack. The Dwarves rush out of Khazad-dum and attack Sauron's forces from behind. This gives Elrond and his group time to gather what refugees there are and make for the area that will be Rivendell. the Dwarves battle Sauron's army and retreat as they do so back into the mountain, firmly shutting the Gate against any intrusion of Sauron's men and creatures. What does anyone else think? __________________ If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world – J.R.R. Tolkien

10-04-2005, 05:38 PM	#3
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Durelin What do you want the Dwarves to be doing at this point? We're pretty much down to the grand battle, aren't we? Shall we be plunging into that soon? ~~ Pio EDIT* - from a previous post of mine to this thread: Elrond is chosen to aid the Elvensmiths in 1695. For what ever reasons, it will take the Lindon Elves until 1697 to come near Eregion. Sauron sends his troops against them and they are unable to enter Eregion at all, despite the additional aid they receive from a group of Lorien Elves led by Celeborn. Eregion is destroyed, Ost-in-Edhil in ruins. Elrond and Celeborn's troops are nearly destroyed by Sauron and company - when King Durin III of Moria sends some Dwarven troops along with another group of Lorien Elves against Sauron's troops from the rear. Sauron's army turns its focus on the Dwarves and Lorien Elves, driving them back to Moria - the West-gate, which faces Eregion, is then shut tightly against Sauron's troops and none can enter. Elrond takes advantage of the changed focus of the enemy and with what remains of his men, along with some refugees from Eregion that he picks up along the way, he retreast northeast to the hidden valley where he will establish Imladris. Sauron, in the meantime, sweeps east over Eriador, heading toward Lindon. __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside. Last edited by piosenniel; 10-04-2005 at 06:59 PM.

10-04-2005, 07:10 PM	#4
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Arry Ha! That's exactly what I thought when I read your post. That really cracks me up. Poor Skald... Pio What you said was what I had in mind, but I thought that we might be doing something slightly different. That's fine, though. I may get a post up sometime this evening. -- Folwren __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

10-04-2005, 07:20 PM	#5
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Well, I do think we Dwarves are ferrying Lorien Elves through the mines. At some point we will take Celeborn and a group to the city. and then there should be a final group of lorien Elves that will attack from the rear with us. ~*~ Pio __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

10-06-2005, 08:01 PM	#6
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Time to shake things up a bit in the baddies' camp... Grimkul's pretty intent on leaving army life forever - someone better stop him, quick!