What's the point? (Tigerlily's Rant) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

**The Saucepan Man** · 09-15-2005, 06:36 PM

Funny how such an extreme portrayal of film-bashing has some of the forum's more vocal film-bashers up in arms ...

The Only Real Estel · 09-15-2005, 07:52 PM

There would seem to be no point in inviting people from out of state over to watch the movies just to bash them. I don't even 'intelligently discuss' any dislikes I might have of some of PJ's story differences while I'm watching the movies-if I'm watching the movies it's because I want to be entertained. I can generally watch the movies without being bothered much by changes; although I don't mind some real discussion about them at other times.

These people you speak of must find some bizzare entertainment in bashing a movie for an entire three and a half hours.

alatar · 09-15-2005, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Funny how such an extreme portrayal of film-bashing has some of the forum's more vocal film-bashers up in arms ...

You wouldn't have anyone in mind, would you?

And I can say, here and now, that truly I've never attended any parties that were also attended by Tigerlily Gamgee. Somewhere on the Downs I've posted compliments regarding PJ's works, yet I'm having a bit of a go trying to find them.

And bashing should be left to the professionals...T-shirts?!?

Essex · 09-16-2005, 02:44 AM

Tigerlily, Was it the EE DVD's they were watching? I would have paid good money to watch their reaction as the WK destroyed Gandalf's staf!!!!!

Boromir88 · 09-16-2005, 04:40 AM

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Funny how such an extreme portrayal of film-bashing has some of the forum's more vocal film-bashers up in arms ... ~SpM

Thing is I don't watch the movies just to bash it. I watch the movies because I like them. There's some things that I don't like about the movies, but I've always voiced how I enjoy them. There are many good things about them.

From what I responded to it came off as someone was watching the movies only to bash it, which is something I openly admit do not agree with, nor do I do.

The other thing I don't agree with is the term "bashing." I believe Estel's got a problem with this term too. We're not bashing the movies here. And this is really starting to get me mad. I'll give you a link to someone bashing the movies, and it's something I've never done. I bring up the negatives about the films, the things that I don't like, or don't agree with. That's not bashing that's things I don't like what PJ did. Unless we are disagreeing on the term bashing, to me bashing is "This is the worst movie ever it totally sucks."

Bashing to me implies someone who just types and complains about the film, but never say what they're complaining about they just repeatedly say they hate it and it's the worst thing he/she's ever had to watch. But, you don't know the reason why because they just say the film sucks. When I bring my complaints about the movies I explain why I don't like them. Which is my opinion, no one has to agree with it, but I would not call it bashing.

This is a forum here, we all are here to share our opinions on Tolkien and Jackson. It's not ment to get this one-sided, biased view of how great the films are. When yes there good films, but by no means are they great. (To me)

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Art is, and always has been, open to interpretation. Do you get outraged everytime a band covers an older song that you really liked? No, you just don't listen to that new version of the song and stick with the older version that you like.

The problem is I don't think we should stomp on the other's throats who don't like the films. Yes, I agree, it's all up to whether you like this stuff or not, but if people have the right to share their opinions on how great the film is, then others I think should be able to share what they don't like about the film.

Though, as I said Tigerlilly, I think your case of being invited over to another's house who solely watches the movies to bash them is something I do not endorse.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 09-16-2005, 07:12 AM

O Saucepan! These films are not Marmite (though, interestingly enough, I neither love nor hate Marmite: it's just sort of alright

).

When I watch the films, I do often laugh condescendingly at some parts ("A diversion!", etc.) but more often I do get caught up in the majesty. Like when the horses are racing across the plains of Rohan; what is there to snigger at there?

Nay, I have found a comfortable level on which to watch the films. Not taking the activity seriously enough to accept some awful dialogue; and also not taking it seriously enough to cry and moan about what an 'insult' to the books the film-makers conjured up.

Sometimes you shouldn't bother to deal with certain people.

The Only Real Estel · 09-16-2005, 02:21 PM

Posted by Boromir88:

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The other thing I don't agree with is the term "bashing." I believe Estel's got a problem with this term too.

How observant.

alatar · 09-19-2005, 01:55 PM

Note that today's post was written while alatar was being possessed by a member of "Bashers are People Too."

Think about it. You're watching the second DVD of Peter Jackson's ROTK. The much mauled 'Gandalf gets walloped by the Witch-King' scene flashes by (actual running time could be a minute?). You're in a room full of people. Some of these are guys. Some people are enjoying the fruits of the vine and field in handy liquid form. Gals are present too. There's been some cheering and jeering like at a sporting event (though admittedly more jeering). You voice your opinion...

"<as stated by narfforc here."

or

"That was garbage! PJ is a hack!" (note that more colorful language most likely was used, but you get the idea

.

Isn't this like those TV law shows where the smart lawyer paints the person on the witness stand into a yes/no corner? The person would like to qualify his/her answer, but the lawyer presses the question "Just answer yes or no!" Tears, angry or otherwise, usually follow.

Substitute yes/no for 'bash it' or 'love it,' state your opinion in a party setting before the next scene appears (you got about a minute) and see what you would do.

It all makes sense now.

09-15-2005, 06:36 PM	#1
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Funny how such an extreme portrayal of film-bashing has some of the forum's more vocal film-bashers up in arms ... __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

09-16-2005, 07:12 AM	#6
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	O Saucepan! These films are not Marmite (though, interestingly enough, I neither love nor hate Marmite: it's just sort of alright ). When I watch the films, I do often laugh condescendingly at some parts ("A diversion!", etc.) but more often I do get caught up in the majesty. Like when the horses are racing across the plains of Rohan; what is there to snigger at there? Nay, I have found a comfortable level on which to watch the films. Not taking the activity seriously enough to accept some awful dialogue; and also not taking it seriously enough to cry and moan about what an 'insult' to the books the film-makers conjured up. Sometimes you shouldn't bother to deal with certain people. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond Last edited by Eomer of the Rohirrim; 09-16-2005 at 07:13 AM. Reason: missing letters

09-19-2005, 01:55 PM	#8
alatar Doubting Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Heaven's basement Posts: 2,466	Note that today's post was written while alatar was being possessed by a member of "Bashers are People Too." Think about it. You're watching the second DVD of Peter Jackson's ROTK. The much mauled 'Gandalf gets walloped by the Witch-King' scene flashes by (actual running time could be a minute?). You're in a room full of people. Some of these are guys. Some people are enjoying the fruits of the vine and field in handy liquid form. Gals are present too. There's been some cheering and jeering like at a sporting event (though admittedly more jeering). You voice your opinion... "<as stated by narfforc here." or "That was garbage! PJ is a hack!" (note that more colorful language most likely was used, but you get the idea . Isn't this like those TV law shows where the smart lawyer paints the person on the witness stand into a yes/no corner? The person would like to qualify his/her answer, but the lawyer presses the question "Just answer yes or no!" Tears, angry or otherwise, usually follow. Substitute yes/no for 'bash it' or 'love it,' state your opinion in a party setting before the next scene appears (you got about a minute) and see what you would do. It all makes sense now. __________________ There is naught that you can do, other than to resist, with hope or without it.

09-15-2005, 07:52 PM	#2
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	There would seem to be no point in inviting people from out of state over to watch the movies just to bash them. I don't even 'intelligently discuss' any dislikes I might have of some of PJ's story differences while I'm watching the movies-if I'm watching the movies it's because I want to be entertained. I can generally watch the movies without being bothered much by changes; although I don't mind some real discussion about them at other times. These people you speak of must find some bizzare entertainment in bashing a movie for an entire three and a half hours.

09-16-2005, 02:44 AM	#4
Essex Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 886	Tigerlily, Was it the EE DVD's they were watching? I would have paid good money to watch their reaction as the WK destroyed Gandalf's staf!!!!!