Werewolf IX: the Saga Owns You and You Know It

[Glirdan]

I see what you mean Holbytlass, it just seemes to me, as I'm sure it did to Wilwa and Alcarillo, that he sounded rather wolfish. But now you have me torn in mind for whom I will be voting for. I don't know whether I should vote for the phantom or Wayne. If Wayne is a wolf, he poses the greater threat than the Cobbler. I mean, what can the Cobbler do? He doesn't know who the werewolves are or who the werebear is, therefor, when he votes, he could be putting out one of those he would like to win. I'm still leaning towards voting for Wayne, but the phantom is now a possibility.

[Kitanna]

I agree with you, Holbytlass, at least about Wayne. I can say that I will defiantly not be voting for him today. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt because he's new. Though should his lack of defense continue I will have to change my stance on him.

As for the phantom I think if he's gifted at all he's probably the cobbler and therefore does not need to be lynched yet. The cobbler isn't all that dangerous at the beginning of the game.

As of right now I do not know how to vote. It looks like I will pull a random name from the list and vote for them.

[wilwarin538]

Well I don't think I will vote for the phantom, even though some think he is a cobbler. I think that he has some could ideas, and I think he could indeed help us. Even if he is the cobbler he is clueless about the identities of the Weres just as much as we are, so he isn't a threat. Now I'm not defending the cobbler, not at all, I just think that the phantom could have good ideas.

Originally posted by Kath
There is just one thing that I would like to mention right now and that is this belief that having people who are loud in the village is so exceedingly important that we must not kill anyone who is able to make a sensible and seemingly helpful post of over three paragraphs. Now yes, it is important that we have people who can do this but what we have to beware of is that these people could be werewolves, the cobbler or the werebear. I am not saying lynch all the loud people, I just want everyone to realise that this is possible and that they should not be exempt from suspicion, and that 'I'm loud' is not a valid defence.

As Kath said, those who post a lot of valuable posts are better to keep around instead of a bunch of people who don't really participate. So I think we should keep phantom around, since the cobbler isn't a threat to us at this point any way. I think we should consintrate on the Wolves and the Bear. They are our main threats right now.

So unless I become suspicious of someone else, or Wayne actually posts something to defend himself, Wayne is probably who I will vote for.

EDIT:Cross posted with a few people: I supose I might have been a tad harsh about Wayne, he is new at this, as I was at one point, so I think I will back off of him a little. I just really wish he would at least try to defend himself. If he continues to post like this, then I will have to vote for him, though not toDAy most likely. Now I just don't know.

[Holbytlass]

Here's something else to muddy the waters....
If The Phantom is the cobbler, then he is double-bluffing. Reasonable enough, he's a smart guy BUT, then he is bluffing using a plan that whether his bluffing works or not will help the villagers and that is a very un-cobblerish thing to do.
To put it plainer, I think The Phantom is a helpful villager and Wayne the Goblin doesn't deserve our votes today.

But then who does?!....

ther's still time to gleen from what has been (or not been) posted.

[Glirdan]

I believe I will do as Kitanna is doing. I will give Wayne the benefit of the doubt. But, should he be accused once more and not come up witha reasonable deffence, I will be forced to vote for them, unless there is someone more likely. I'm not quite decided in mind, therefor, I might vote for Wayne. If there is anyone else now who should be considered, it would be Gil. He posted once, and hasn't said a thing since. We should be looking towards him now. The phantom is now exempt in my books and I will not be voting for him.

[Kath]

Kath, both you and Shelob seem to want me to explain myself. May I ask why you suspect me?

My accusation of you at the beginning was completely random and based on nothing more than me looking at the list of names and choosing the three that jumped out at me. However, once I had picked you I realised that there were quite a few others that felt the same. It seemed odd that a lot of people would have the same suspicion and so I looked to you to explain or defend yourself so I would have more posts/words from you to use to make some kind of decision about you. So far this has not happened and so I am unable to decide whether I think you guilty or innocent. Does that answer your question?

[Shelob]

I see nothing wolfish of Wayne's teeth statement, for heaven's sake he's a dentist!

I was probing for responses myself...and it was a rather strange thing to say, you think it wouldn't so much be his teeth as his practice that would suffer if he was so distraught at our loss...

...in any case I haven't seen much to make me want to vote for anyone. At best I'd say that the "Phantom as Cobbler", or the "SamwiseGamgee is hiding something" suggestions are the two possibilities with the most empirical (or as empirical as is possible) evidence for them, and even those are very probably ill-phrasing or paranoia induced readings. And then there are the people who haven't said/contributed enough for anyone to really consider them one way or the other...

Meneltarmacil, I just like responses, they're practically the only thing we've got to work with today. Add to that the fact I was just picking you because your name had come up the most at that point I feel yours and Alcarillo's points about those being "shots in the dark" based off your occupation are enough. Not enough to wipe you completely from my radar, but enough to keep me happy.

As it stands though I've got WaynetheGoblin, Meneltarmacil, Phantom and SamwiseGamgee all hovering high on my radar....most likely I'll vote for one of them.

Though speaking of voting I may have to do mine earlier than I should like, certainly too early for it to be the best of decisions, however as I've a little while yet before I must go care for my Llamas (I've decided to move them all into my house, that way I'll be able to guard them better) I'll wait, watch and think deeply about what to do with the little I have...

...Until then.

[Alcarillo]

Well, I don't think the phantom is guilty of anything. Menel is simply facing some anti-zookeeper-ism. Wayne is probably just a blundering new guy, although I might vote for him if nobody else comes along. Somebody must die today. I'd like a few more posts from those quiet people.

[Glirdan]

I'd like a few more posts from those quiet people.

I quite agree Alcarillo. Where is Gil and Bergil to defend themselves? As it stands, I might vote for Wayne. I don't see any harm in Menel seeing as he is just the zoo-keeper and as you put it Alcarillo, he is just facing "anti-zookeeper-ism" and is most likely no harm to anyone and I really don't see any harm in Samwise either, but I may vote for him. He is another who needs to defend himself.

[Holbytlass]

Unless something hugely profound comes along and I seriously doubt it, this being the first day and all, I shall be voting for Bergil because he has said nothing and has not stated elsewhere that he wouldn't be able to and it has been 19 1/2 hours to at least make an appearance.

[wilwarin538]

I agree Holby, I suppose Bergil is really the only choice we have. I will wait though before I vote, just in case.

[Kath]

Now hold on just a cotton pickin' minute because I am a little confused here. There are some people who think that the phantom is the Cobbler, and yet they are not going to vote for him. Rather they are going to vote for someone they believe to be innocent just because the phantom is loud. I do recall just warning against that but it seems no one listened. Yes, ok, we need loud and clever people but what we do not need is a loud and clever person that many people think to be in league with the werecreatures! Remember, the Cobbler is not on our side! S/he will become dangerous to us in the near future and if we don't suspect anyone of being a wolf then surely it is better to vote for a person you think to be against the village than someone you simply have not heard from.

Now I am not saying vote for the phantom because I personally don't think he is the Cobbler, but what I am saying is that if you think he is you should vote for him rather than just picking someone else at random that you don't truly have suspicions of, just to keep a loud person alive.

[Alcarillo]

Now I'm not sure if I should vote for Wayne or Bergil, but I'll probably vote for the former.

I agree with Kath that you should vote for the phantom if you think he's suspicious. Vote for who you think is guilty.

In my case, I don't have very many ideas of who's guilty and who's not, but I think lynching an unhelpful person is the best we can do.

[wilwarin538]

I don't think the phantom is the Cobbler. Even if he is though, he isn't a threat to us now, in a few Days where the cobbler could start to become a threat then I think the phantom would be most peoples first choice, not mine mind you. I don't think we should lynch someone who could have good ideas, just incase he is innocent. At this point I have no idea. Bergil is really the only one I could vote for, Wayne is still a possibility though.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Kath

Now I am not saying vote for the phantom because I personally don't think he is the Cobbler, but what I am saying is that if you think he is you should vote for him rather than just picking someone else at random that you don't truly have suspicions of, just to keep a loud person alive.

You make a valid point, Kath. But allow me to say that I have my suspicions of phantom as the cobbler, but I also know there is a good chance of him being innocent. Right now I am feeling he is not a werecreature of any sort and I do not want to cast my vote for him.

None of my suspicions today have any real foundations. So no matter who I vote for it will be a shot in the dark.
I suspect Wayne for his toothy remarks and lack of defense, but I want to give him the benefit of the doubt for right now.
I suspect Samwise because he was the first to mention phantom's bear plan as a bad thing (he was not the only one thoug), but someone was bound to do that. Samwise just happened to be the first. Also Kath mentioned Samwise's over the top reaction to her accusation...strange, but right now I see that as no reason to cast him down.
Then there's Gil and Bergil who my only reason to suspect them is because of lack of posting, but I don't want to vote for either of them until they defend themselves.

So one way or the other my vote will be random and in the end will probably not count toward anything today. I do not believe any of my reasons for suspecting people are good enough to cast a vote and head them for the noose.

[Shelob]

As I said, far to early and with far to little to base my decision on but yet I must vote for I know not if I'll have another chance.

Given what I have I feel it's unfair to vote for someone simply because they have spoken little, if at all. For that I am then ruling out WaynetheGoblin and anyone else who has posted practically nothing. Of the three remaining from my list then I'm left with SamwiseGamgee, Phantom and Meneltarmacil. However I have nothing worth basing a vote on for any of them.

Meneltarmacil was accused randomly and early, with enough suspicion stuck to him that I can't quite shake it.

Phantom made a suggestion to the bear which would, with luck and the bear's cooperation, thin out the ranks of the wolves quickly, but this could be a cobblerish trick or a bear's way of hiding out in the open, or the suggestion of an innocent more worried by the wolves than the bear.

As to SamwiseGamgee, his reaction to Kath could be a were-ish one, or it could just be ill-phrased, his accusition of the Phantom could be a coverup, it could be gauging for a reaction.


Of those three I'm torn between Phantom or SamwiseGamgee being the more worthy of a vote. However since I feel that the Phantom has, from what little there is, a better chance of being a danger to the village I shall vote for ++The Phantom and hope.