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Eomer of the Rohirrim · 09-02-2005, 12:37 PM

I agree, CoD, that movie-Grishnákh was suited to the movie-audience. However, I can't see how movie-Treebeard was more suited. But that's a whole new topic (of which I lay claim to

).

The popcorn-munchers enjoy their hungry bloodthirsty monsters. That's why they made Grishnákh into a slobbering beast, rather than a tricksy fiend. That and time constraints. They were probably able to chop off a couple of minutes by doing this. But then, the extended edition...

Lily Bombadil · 09-03-2005, 07:17 PM

Boromir88, but if we've read the books, we knew Pippin didn't have the Ring. If they'd put Grishnak's Ring-driven-ness in the movie, it still would've built up the suspense of wondering what would happen to Merry and Pippin. I personally would like to have seen Grishnak portrayed by the book. It definitely would've been nice to see more Tolkien and more cleverness in the movie. But then I guess PJ's chased-through-the-woods thing would've been out? I can't really say. Sometimes the things PJ does, brilliant though he is, end in utter stupidity and disaster... Gotta love PJ...

Bergil · 11-12-2005, 05:43 PM

The actor who played Grishnakh would, I think, have done the ring-driven version of the scese well (in fact, I hear that version done by the movie actors when I read that scene in the book)
And, the book-version requires that Eomer use his un-stupid strategy, rather then rushing in blindly.

but when you watch the film, the film version is entertaining.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 11-14-2005, 07:03 AM

Also, the Uruks would have been very aware of the Rohirrim well before they were attacked by them.

It's a bit like the scene where we first see the Riders seconds after 'Gorn, Legolas and Gimli hide from them. Really, they're about four yards away from you: could you not see them?

Goldberry101 · 05-03-2006, 05:48 PM

I think that having the Ring-driven Grish would have added a lot to the story in that you wouldn't see Orcs as just being these mindless, slobbering idiots that the movie portraies them as. I can see though, how having him meat driven would help for those who have not read the books, it's less information to try to take in at once...I know I saw the movies before I read the books and I wouldn't have understood it at all. It does, however make Treebeard look stupid and makes Pippin look as if he can't think well in a tight spot.

Tuor of Gondolin · 05-04-2006, 07:26 AM

Actually, I think movie Grisnakh was done very well
as a character and it would have been easy for
PJ and friends to write in Grisnakh more like the
book and Pippin doing his "Gollum" bit. I would
think movie viewers would have understood the
Ring connection, and desire for it, driving the orcs,
like it does all others.

I'm ambivalent on the movie Rohirrim charge. It
does work well (and necessarily briefly) in the
movie, but logically it makes no sense that orcs (who
know the Three Walkers are following them) can't detect
the...ah...presence of a hundred horses. And charging
blindly at night into infantry forces is foolish indeed,
especially with the strobe lights hanging from either
tall trees or helicopters that the orcs carelessly left on.

09-02-2005, 12:37 PM	#1
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	I agree, CoD, that movie-Grishnákh was suited to the movie-audience. However, I can't see how movie-Treebeard was more suited. But that's a whole new topic (of which I lay claim to ). The popcorn-munchers enjoy their hungry bloodthirsty monsters. That's why they made Grishnákh into a slobbering beast, rather than a tricksy fiend. That and time constraints. They were probably able to chop off a couple of minutes by doing this. But then, the extended edition... __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

09-03-2005, 07:17 PM	#2
Lily Bombadil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hold on...let me consult this broken compass... Posts: 279	Boromir88, but if we've read the books, we knew Pippin didn't have the Ring. If they'd put Grishnak's Ring-driven-ness in the movie, it still would've built up the suspense of wondering what would happen to Merry and Pippin. I personally would like to have seen Grishnak portrayed by the book. It definitely would've been nice to see more Tolkien and more cleverness in the movie. But then I guess PJ's chased-through-the-woods thing would've been out? I can't really say. Sometimes the things PJ does, brilliant though he is, end in utter stupidity and disaster... Gotta love PJ... __________________ "YOU!" "Indeed."

11-12-2005, 05:43 PM	#3
Bergil Wight Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: the Lepetomaine Gambling Casino For The Insane Posts: 157	2 argunments not yet here The actor who played Grishnakh would, I think, have done the ring-driven version of the scese well (in fact, I hear that version done by the movie actors when I read that scene in the book) And, the book-version requires that Eomer use his un-stupid strategy, rather then rushing in blindly. but when you watch the film, the film version is entertaining. __________________ I support...something.

11-14-2005, 07:03 AM	#4
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Also, the Uruks would have been very aware of the Rohirrim well before they were attacked by them. It's a bit like the scene where we first see the Riders seconds after 'Gorn, Legolas and Gimli hide from them. Really, they're about four yards away from you: could you not see them? __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

05-04-2006, 07:26 AM	#6
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	Actually, I think movie Grisnakh was done very well as a character and it would have been easy for PJ and friends to write in Grisnakh more like the book and Pippin doing his "Gollum" bit. I would think movie viewers would have understood the Ring connection, and desire for it, driving the orcs, like it does all others. I'm ambivalent on the movie Rohirrim charge. It does work well (and necessarily briefly) in the movie, but logically it makes no sense that orcs (who know the Three Walkers are following them) can't detect the...ah...presence of a hundred horses. And charging blindly at night into infantry forces is foolish indeed, especially with the strobe lights hanging from either tall trees or helicopters that the orcs carelessly left on. __________________ Aure Entuluva!

05-03-2006, 05:48 PM	#5
Goldberry101 Pile O'Bones Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 20	I think that having the Ring-driven Grish would have added a lot to the story in that you wouldn't see Orcs as just being these mindless, slobbering idiots that the movie portraies them as. I can see though, how having him meat driven would help for those who have not read the books, it's less information to try to take in at once...I know I saw the movies before I read the books and I wouldn't have understood it at all. It does, however make Treebeard look stupid and makes Pippin look as if he can't think well in a tight spot.