Saurons Plan

I am reading "The Simarillion" at the moment and a question has come to my mind.
What was the plan of Sauron? If he had conquered and gain rule over all the lands of Middle Earth? Conquer farther? As far as I know there is no hind or something what really was going on in that evil mind. But maybe some of you know an answer, or at least a suggestion.
I myself believe that if he had succeded he would have tried to free Morgoth from the void. It must be possible?

Thanks for your answers and deeper insights...

[Lord of Angmar]

I myself believe that if he had succeded he would have tried to free Morgoth from the void. It must be possible?

That would not be possible. Morgoth was trapped in the Void until the Watcher slept.

Sauron's plan, I deem, would have been to continue amassing land, and (in his mind) power. Sauron probably would have built up fortresses and set slaves to work in the Dark Lands and spread his rule to the southernmost part of the Hither Lands. He would be unassailable by this time by any army other than the Host of the Valar.

[ August 25, 2003: Message edited by: Lord of Angmar ]

[lore_master]

well i mean even if there was anyway he could, would he really want to free Morgoth and be second in command again?
it probably felt good to be the head cheese and sauron was so power crazy i dont think he would give up the postion of dark lord, even if he truely thought of morgoth as a father figure or uncle.

so in my opinion he woudlnt have realsed morgoth.

i think his plan was to take over as much of arda as possible.


p.s. welcome to the downs!
enjoy

[ August 25, 2003: Message edited by: lore_master ]

[HCIsland]

Wouldn't part of his motivation also be simple revenge upon the Eldar and Edain that were such thorns in the side of Morgoth?

H.C.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

You might find the discussion here to be of interest.

[Nils]

According to Letters, by the end of the Third Age, Sauron had come to believe he was Morgoth.

[Finwe]

Even if Sauron had succeeded in taking over Middle-earth, the last thing he would have wanted to do is free Morgoth. What Dark Lord in his (or her) right mind would work his (or her) butt off to take over the world, and then meekly turn around and give it all away to someone else? It wouldn't make sense. I think that by the end of the Third Age, if Sauron had succeeded in conquering Middle-earth, he would have just kept it for himself.

[Lyta_Underhill]

Perhaps Sauron suffered from the "Why am *I* not a Vala?" complex. The Maiar were, after all, of the same race as the Valar, albeit somewhat lesser in stature. I would assume that, the nature of evil being what it is and always will be, the evil Maiar are always scheming to take the place of the big evil Vala, Morgoth. And when Morgoth was finally defeated, Sauron took his place, naturally. But, wouldn't there still be the same complex within him, the fear of others attempting to usurp his position, as he took over Morgoth's?

Did Sauron not believe, in this vein of thought, that whoever had the One Ring would come against him in open war, wielding the Ring, as Sauron would have done? I wonder if this inspired fear in him, just as Morgoth knew fear and preferred not to face his enemies head on. It is thoughts like this that make me admire Aragorn all the more for revealing himself at an important juncture to Sauron through the palantir. A masterstroke of misdirection! For Aragorn was the one person in Middle Earth that Sauron could believe would come against him.

Another thought on why Sauron does what he does: it was mentioned in the other thread, the link to which is so helpfully provided by the Squatter of Amon Rudh (thanks! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] ) that the evil impulse is part of a desire to supplant the One God, Eru, to impose one's own will as a supreme being. Thus, evil will seek to create thralls that reinforce the primacy of the evil "creator." However, the one Vala who created but did not possess the evil motive to go with it (Aule, who created the Dwarves) did so out of a desire to create something beautiful, an adornment for Middle Earth, a celebration of Arda. Thus, he humbled himself before Iluvatar for his presumption.

This idea seems to me to echo motivation in art. Some seek merely to create so that attention and worship is drawn to them; those works are usually derivative (the Shadow mocks but cannot make), whereas works of art that issue from the soul (let us posit a direct line to the Will of Eru), have a light of their own and shine with the eternal and the personal.

I know this gets way off on a side track, but this does seem to me part of the conflict inherent in the hoarding of the Silmarils by Fëanor and his sons. Alas, I can think no more, but thanks for listening! (reading!)

Cheers,
Lyta

[Firnantoonion]

According to Letters, by the end of the Third Age, Sauron had come to believe he was Morgoth.

Morgoth simply meens black lord (or something like that), when you only look at the meaning of the word well, Sauron did have become morgoth, just not Melkor, but an other black lord in an other time.

furthermore Tolkien states that sauron only was less evil than his master in that he served a master for a long time. after being his own master for such a long time, I don't think he would try to free Melkor, as he did when he betrayed the numenoreans. he now only wanted power and you have the most power when you're your own master.

[Socialist]

Didn't Sauron have his greatest power when serving Morgoth?

[Falagar]

If I remember correctly, Sauron was at one point (in the Second age, I believe it was) as powerful as Morgoth had been in the middle of the First age.

[Failivrin]

i don't think he would have tried to free morgoth. after all, what all the evil in tolkien craves is power and if he freed him his power would be diminished. and, aren't the valar the only thing evil is scared of? would he really try to free morgoth and risk all of his amassed wealth and power on a scheme that probably wouldn't even work?

i think he would just have tried to gain all the land he could and wreak havoc on the eldar through poisoning the edain like morgoth did. then the men that would not stoop to his low would be hunted dow nand killed off. if he really gained all that power though, surely events would take much the same course as they did in the first age because evil is only capable of seeing one point, one side at a time. possibly...