Tol-in-Gaurhoth VII (The Saga goes ever on and on)

[The Only Real Estel]

Great game, all!

I would like to know what you thought of me, Eomer. I know I dropped a few subtle hints during the course of the game, did you assume I was cobbler?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

It was a really good game. Congrats to all.

Honest to goodness I had no idea you were the cobbler, Estel. What kind of hints did you leave? Great strategy on your part, by the way.

I've been speaking to Firefoot about it, and it's kinda silly but here goes: I totally forgot that the cobbler would vote for himself. I had assumed that this last day would be a chaos of confusion and deception. But no, it worked out easily in the end.

I kept a little Diary of Wolvery. I'll be able to post it tomorrow, I imagine. It's a good read!

One thing though: I thought us wolves were really quite unlucky in parts of the game. First of all we had dancing spawn's uncanny suspicion of Kitanna which forced us to panic, and then Oromin had RL difficulties which prompted that huge change of strategy.

It was great fun wolving with Oro and Kit, The Shadow of Terror (hehe! ) and The Pretty Face. Hats off, all round.

[Orominuialwen]

I never guessed you were the cobbler either, Estel. I thought Lhuna was, until she died, and then I had no idea who it could be.

It's odd the way things worked out. It's looking definitely like I'll have to leave sometime next week, so it turns out I needn't have embarked on my suicidal strategy after all. Although I sure did confuse the heck out of all of you while I was doing it! I was afraid you were never going to kill me once I said I was the cobbler. At least it provided some cover for Eomer in that he could lead the charge against me. It was so funny to see him repeatedly saying things late in the game such as

I am not a double-bluffing wolf!

when of course he was! I doubt that he'll live past the first day ever again.

[Firefoot]

Oromin, I agree. Eomer's posts were full of stuff like that, even at the start: "I have no idea why anyone would want to kill so-and-so." It also made me laugh that the one game Eomer should have been lynched, he wasn't. Knowing everyone's role and watching the game play out has got to be one of the best things about modding, which I thought was a ton of fun. The hardest part was coming up with original deaths at the end... I was at the end of my rope. So thanks to Bethberry for giving me the idea of scalping. That death was inspired... though someone informed me it may have been a little over the top. (Perhaps "without a top" describes it better? )

Great game, everyone.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

When we were hiding well, and other people were commenting on what a good job the wolves were doing, I almost typed Yes, these wolves are doing rather magnificently, yes?

I quickly decided against that; it would have been far too obvious!

Hear that noise? It's the sound of Lhuna tearing her hair out.

By the way, those killings hurt me just as much as they hurt you. Honest.

To add: Thanks Holby. Yes, the irony was seeping through the keyboard.

[mormegil]

If only the village had listened to me at my death. But no it wouldn't be so. Eomer great job! I started to think that it may have been you when Fea died and your reaction to that it is what I would have done to be honest . But what pacified me was leading the charge in killing the other wolves but by the end I had you figured out but of course it was too little too late. Oh one other thing that made me suspcious of you is that you survived past day 1

Tore fantastic job and wonderful strategy! Of course you were aided by Lhuna and others but no matter what I would never have thought you to be the cobbler. For one fleeting day I thought you to be a wolf but that went away quickly. A brilliant start to a great new role.

What did everyone else think of the cobbler role? I think it added a wonderful new element of complexity to the game.

So I was the cursed villager. I had this sinking suspicion from the start that I was. I actually almost posted it when I was about to die but thought better of it

Great game to the other wolves Kitanna and Oromin as well. Kath despite what you think I feel you played rather well and kept yourself alive very long. Which can be hard to do as a seer. I feel so bad about Durelin and Oddwen though. To think one wolf killed one and I killed the other .

Finally, great job Firefoot! You were excellent. I haven't modded but I was able to get a birds eye view when TGWBS modded and I had to sit out. It is wonderful to watch it all play out with the complete knowledge. Though I hope you dont' think less of me for not figuring out anything really *roll eyes*

Thanks all.

Edit: I was laughing every day about my axe! It was so much fun to have this runing joke between the mod and me. Though I'm glad I could finally use it.

[Encaitare]

Nice playing, everyone. Eomer, as soon as I was killed I knew it was you, but I never suspected TORE. Hope to see some of you in WWVIII!

[The Only Real Estel]

Hints & Bluffs: Well, when I dropped hints I made them extremely subtle - I didn't want to be too obvious about it. At one point I said I was off for some oatmeal, some peaches, & some ice cream. This was one hint that I sincerely doubted anyone would pick up one - I don't know if any of you have ever had peach cobbler before but it basically amounts to peaches & ice cream (the oatmeal was just an add on). After not being on for awhile I returned with the action of *shaking the cobwebs from my brain*. Extremely subtle hints, as I said before, but one never knows who might pick up on them (although no one did ). And then in the last DAY or two I really started discussing possible Cobbler strategies, but that really wasn't hinting, per se.

As to bluffs I decided to ask about what we should be looking for in the Cobbler, etc. as a sort of double-bluff; at one point I thought I had overdone it, but apparently not. After Elf-Warrior mentioned the role I started asking about it. Basically the first day I tried to get everyone's focus more on the role of the Cobbler than wolves - asking for clarifications suggesting that Nilp might be 'the cobbler cobbler', etc. I also asked Firefoot if we would know if we'd killed the Cobbler, as another small double-bluff sort of thing. Also, when Lhuna suggested that the Cobbler might be hiding I quickly brought up that they're job is mainly to confuse us - I didn't want them to focus on my strategy, of course.

As I go back & read my posts I'm amazed at how many times I said the word 'Cobbler'.

(edit): On one last Cobbler not: I don't think I played that well, I was just saved at the end by the wolf lasting. I knew about half way through that unless Eomer was the wolf I had little chance of looking even the least bit smart, he was the only one out of the other potential wolves that hadn't had much suspicion cast on him & could then possibly last until the last DAY for me to redeem myself. That & I basically hung my entire strategy on the guess that he was a wolf. Had the wolf been taken out & the game won by the villagers I would've done a horrible job as Cobbler, I especially did poorly at the start when I was trying to get a handle for the whole thing. I was just fortunate that my daring & rather unsmart strategy paid off - though I can't say I'd do the same thing if I was given a do-over!

By the way, Eomer I must say I had you figured out from DAY one, though at times (mostly late in the game) I began to waver ever so slightly. I think I'll post some of my thoughts for each DAY...I'll have to get them more orginized first, though.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

O yea, it's real easy to say Of course, I had Eomer figured out right at the start now that the game's over!

I thought we wolves were unlucky with our suspicion. I'm not sure why everyone leapt on Kitanna (dancing spawn, wow - she was so troublesome). Oromin's case speaks for itself. And what did I do wrong? I thought I played it real clean, honey!

Kuru, get me one of those t-shirts.

And it's nice to see The Saga still being used after all these games.

[The Only Real Estel]

Well, part of that confusion was me refusing to admit that you were a wolf, Oromin. I said you were either a wolf or the Cobbler, but since I knew I was really the Cobbler I knew you were a wolf...but I wanted to buy another day or two if I could. Confusing, huh? Well, I was the Cobbler!

[Holbytlass]

Wow! That was great entertainment, thanks players. And great modding, Firefoot.
Estel, the cobbler, well hoodda thunk?! That was a great strategy. Another big whammy, Eomer-the-wolf, oh the irony of people feeling sorry for him cause of his initial early-lynchings in other games and him turning out to be a wolf this time 'round. BTW, congratulations on finally having a special role, Eomer.