Tol-in-Gaurhoth VII (The Saga goes ever on and on)

[Lhunardawen]

Just to echo everyone else, please take a long, good look at The Only Real Estel. He might be more like one of the Nazgul than Aragorn after all - looks fair, feels foul.

And another thing, look at this:

Originally Posted by Estel

She (Lhuna) accuses Eomer who I am probably the least worried about.

and this:

Originally Posted by Eomer

As for being suspicious of Estel, he is the only villager whose innocence I am very confident in (besides myself). What's he done to attract suspicion?

Decided in each other's innocence, eh?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

You're right guys, Estel and I are defending each other. Do you want to know why? Because neither of us has done anything even remotely wolvish!

Estel has done nothing. That's not an insult to the good man or anything, I mean that he has been entirely unsuspicious and has done nothing to warrant confusion. I cannot for the life of me see why you are accusing him. Now I am fully aware that this support will probably administer a gigantic backlash against me but o well. Too bad. I don't think he's a wolf at all. If it makes others look bad I'll say this: Encaitare and wilwarin are innocent too. There, I did it; I defended two others. They must be wolves too!

Kath, you really made me laugh with this: "Eomer has the deaths of a good few innocents under his belt."

Let's check this out. I was pivotal in singling out Oddwen, yes. For that I do feel great shame. But I have not hidden from it, have I? As for who else I have attacked, let's see......o yes, Kitanna - the only known wolf! In what way is this having a good few deaths of innocents under my belt? The only other person I am attacking is Orominuialwen and that is so obviously the soundest idea that we have I cannot for the life of me understand why others have stalled on it.

Will I say it again?

Ok:

No innocent would act the way Oromin is acting. I think we can all agree that she is either the Cobbler or a Wolf. This is easily the most we have to go on at this DAY.

++OROMINUIALWEN

It just makes sense, and I'm glad to see that others are taking the advice.

And may I ask for some reasons as to why I am so suspicious? Because littlemanpoet suspected me? But....he was an ordinary villager who knew nothing.

Let's see just how pathetically wolf-Eomer would have played this game:

- He kills Feanor of the Peredhil after she admits that she wants me kept alive.

- He throws suspicion on littlemanpoet who had earlier said that he was fairly sure of Eomer's innocence, probably resulting in the backlash against me started by littlemanpoet.

- He is the second (I think) person to forcefully attack Kitanna, who turns out to be a wolf.

- He kills littlemanpoet who is almost definitely not the Seer (see his vote for Elf-Warrior)

There you have it.

Why are you suspecting me? What is it about me? (And please don't take a spirited defence as evidence of wolvishness.)

[Kath]

I'm sorry Eomer, I think I was making up random bits of history to try and explain to myself why I feel so suspicious of you. However, mormegil's last post has given me pause for thought. He says that had he not voted already he would now vote for wilwa, unless someone could vouch for her innocence. Now this seems to me rather odd as it is a rather thinly veiled request for the Seer to announce themselves and their dreams. At the moment I would guess that the Seer does not know who the wolves are or they would have revealed themselves for the good of the village (or at least I hope they would). Now since morm has already voted and cannot change his vote, and no one else seems the slightest bit suspicious of wilwa, this to me is an odd request.

My vote toDay goes to
++Orominuialwen

but I think mormegil should be looked at more closely over the course of the day.

[wilwarin538]

Well I'm going on vacation with my family later today so I don't think I'll get the chance to vote later.

++Orominuialwen

I will be missing from the entire Day 6 and the early part of Day 7. Try not to miss me to much.

[Saurreg]

Me haf been rreading dah posts und quite frrankly, me iz stumped.

I haf not much hope in all dah arguments und accusations put forth, dah wulves are wily, yes they are...

I can only hope dah seer dreams of the two wulves und exposes 'em soon or we be doom.

Dat said Oro iz going to hang, but me haf me doubts about 'er being a mangy feral.

++Wilwarin

D'ere! Me made my choice cuz seeh be most sus'pis in me eyes.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Kath

I'm sorry Eomer, I think I was making up random bits of history to try and explain to myself why I feel so suspicious of you. However, mormegil's last post has given me pause for thought. He says that had he not voted already he would now vote for wilwa, unless someone could vouch for her innocence. Now this seems to me rather odd as it is a rather thinly veiled request for the Seer to announce themselves and their dreams. At the moment I would guess that the Seer does not know who the wolves are or they would have revealed themselves for the good of the village (or at least I hope they would). Now since morm has already voted and cannot change his vote, and no one else seems the slightest bit suspicious of wilwa, this to me is an odd request.

A couple of things Kath in my defense.

I have been suspicious of Wilwarin in the past but essentially was told that she might be a shirriff. I showed decent, not great, but decent evidence that there's a chance she could be the wolf. I was hoping that, if she were the shirriff, somebody such as her fellow shirriff would vouch for her innocence but not her identity. Let's face it the shirriff's are no good to us until one is dead and we know who the other is. At least we would have one known innocent.

Second, I have not been so veiled in my hope that the seer would reveal him/herself. I have been worried about their safety and hate to think what it would mean if they have not told us much of anything and they die. 5 nights of dreams would potentially go wasted. The problem the seer has is if they are subtle in attempts the wolves have the easiest time picking it out and if he/she announces herself we all pick her out but he/she will be dead tomorrow. No Kath I'm an idiot and can't seem to nail a wolf but I'm no wolf myself. Although if I were at least I'd be able to kill some albeit without my axe but that's about rusted anyway

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

So you think the Seer should reveal him/herself? I could only possibly maybe possibly sort-of go along with this if he/she knows one wolf for definite.

But then, I'm pretty sure I know who the Seer is anyway, so I'm not too bothered.

[The Only Real Estel]

I'm thinking that Wilwarin is actually guilty, unless somebody *coughshirrifcough* can vouch for her innocence.

The problem with this is that they can't vouch for eachother's innocence beyond a certain point. We all know they can't actually reveal themselves, but I don't think they're allowed to say so much that they basically reveal themselves either.

Decided in each other's innocence, eh?

'Twould be a bungling pair of wolves indeed to do that, & a far too daring pair that would try to bluff by doing that.

You know, I just thought of something. There is an extremely off chance that Oromin is a sherrif. I know that sounds wierd, but think about it. There's a good chance that the wolves know who the sherrifs are. If that is the case then they wouldn't kill them at night & they wouldn't allow attention to be centered on them during the day - once one sherrif is dead the other could really hurt them. This could get very irritating for a pair of sherrifs that are just itching to reveal themselves; so if I was the other sherrif & I knew that Oromin would most likely have to back out later anyway...I would encourage her to get herself lynched so that I could reveal myself.

Admittedly, that is a stretch, but if it is true than we should either lynch Oro now, knowing that it would actually help us; or keep her around as long as possible, knowing that she's innocent. But like I said, that's a pretty big stretch.

I still think Lhuna is more likely to be the wolf & Oro an ignorable cobbler; but I can see it won't make much of a difference who I vote for. Should I then vote bandwagon on Oro, knowing that she is most likely a cobbler or a wolf (with the off chance of her being a sherrif, I suppose), but finding it more likely that she's a cobbler who could be ignored instead of lynched? I have no idea right now...though I suppose if she is a wolf I will be suspected for 'defending' her with that bit.

I'd better smoke a bit to clear my head & blacken my lungs.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

So you think the Seer should reveal him/herself? I could only possibly maybe possibly sort-of go along with this if he/she knows one wolf for definite.

But then, I'm pretty sure I know who the Seer is anyway, so I'm not too bothered.

I wholly agree and have said something very similar before. I'm just very worried that they may die soon. The choice tonight for the wolves will be out of 5 or 6 depending on who we kill today.