Tol-in-Gaurhoth VII (The Saga goes ever on and on) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Kath · 07-29-2005, 11:27 AM

I would say that Oddwen being innocent makes it more likely that Elf-Warrior is a wolf. It would be odd for two wolves to vote for the same person unless they were sure that pretty much the whole village was going to vote and not that many people did on Day 1. And, if you are a wolf as I am thinking at the moment then this sudden move away from suspecting someone seems a little suspicious to me.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-29-2005, 11:33 AM

Just noticed Oromin's post before mine; I'm not sure how seriously to treat it.

Orominuialwen · 07-29-2005, 11:50 AM

I am a wolf. I am in circumstances that may make it difficult for me to participate, and at some point completely impossible. Do yourselves all a favor and lynch me. You'll kill a wolf, and not have to deal with a severe lack of posts from me. Lhuna and wilwa are my fellow wolves. Since I (hopefully) will no longer be here, I no longer care what happens. Believe me if you will. We discussed this last NIGHT and decided that the best way for me to get out would be to confuse the heck out of everybody so that you will vote for me sooner or later. Like I said, believe what you like, but if you don't lynch me, sooner or later I will have to pull out of the game if at all possible. Do yourselves all a favor and lynch me now.

Kitanna · 07-29-2005, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Kath

I would say that Oddwen being innocent makes it more likely that Elf-Warrior is a wolf. It would be odd for two wolves to vote for the same person unless they were sure that pretty much the whole village was going to vote and not that many people did on Day 1. And, if you are a wolf as I am thinking at the moment then this sudden move away from suspecting someone seems a little suspicious to me.

This is how I thought of it. Oddwen was a wolf, her and Elf-Warrior had the plan to vote for the same person in hopes of gaining another vote.

Oddwen was not a wolf, though. So I am not so sure about Elf-Warrior. In any case I was flip-flopping on Elf-Warrior yesterday. And though at the moment I am completely unsure about Elf-Warrior. I didn't say he wasn't a wolf and I didn't say he was.

Encaitare · 07-29-2005, 12:11 PM

I don't trust a word Oromin is saying. First she says she's the cobbler, then she says she's a wolf. No matter what she is, she's not giving away any valuable information -- even the people she claims to be her fellow wolves.

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Originally Posted by Oromin

Lhuna and wilwa are my fellow wolves.

This is a lie on at least one account.

I suggest that the Seer should dream about Oromin tonight and find out what she's up to.

Kath · 07-29-2005, 12:17 PM

Oromin is very confusing that is something I am sure of. And I personally think that she is the Cobbler. I would urge people not to vote for her because I think she is trying to protect the wolves, one of which I sincerely believe to be Kitanna. Therefore of the two people she has mentioned - wilwa and Lhuna - I think only one is actually a wolf. My suspicions there rest on wilwa who was mentioned by both our Hunter and our Ranger. Kitanna's change of heart about Elf-Warrior is causing me some trouble with deciding whether he is a wolf or not so I would appreciate hearing some more from him today so I can use his posts to make decisions rather than vague 'flipflopping' from Kitanna.

mormegil · 07-29-2005, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kath

Oromin is very confusing that is something I am sure of. And I personally think that she is the Cobbler. I would urge people not to vote for her because I think she is trying to protect the wolves, one of which I sincerely believe to be Kitanna. Therefore of the two people she has mentioned - wilwa and Lhuna - I think only one is actually a wolf. My suspicions there rest on wilwa who was mentioned by both our Hunter and our Ranger. Kitanna's change of heart about Elf-Warrior is causing me some trouble with deciding whether he is a wolf or not so I would appreciate hearing some more from him today so I can use his posts to make decisions rather than vague 'flipflopping' from Kitanna.

Kath I think I actual agree with you. Kitanna is very suspicious now, though I don't think after yesterday I deserve anybody's trust. My trust in my deductive powers has been shaken rather severely. I feel probably very similar to Eomer right now. I guess that's the problem with being vocal. I knew that they were acting different and therefore my suspicion was on them.

I've been very busy so I was unable to compile my list of votes. Who did not vote. Is there somebody that could have saved Oddwen and didn't? I'm beginning to think that at least Kitanna and Elf-warrior are guilty. I'm less worried about Encai than I have been though not completely pacified.

PS my axe is getting a bit frustrated at its lack of use. This village seems all to bent on taking these lynchings into their own hands...oh well I guess I still get paid.

Orominuialwen · 07-29-2005, 12:45 PM

Perhaps I am who I say I am and perhaps I'm not, but you would be well advised to lynch me. If you trust nothiong else, trust this. There's no reason to kill somebody who could be innocent when I've admitted my guilt. I have no idea if I will be back later. I hope you will follow my lead and do the right thing.

++ OROMINUIALWEN

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-29-2005, 01:26 PM

This post will not focus on Oromin. Quite frankly, I'm too confused to take her admissions seriously at the moment, though I will return to them.

Kitanna's the one I'm concentrating on. I think that pretty face is hiding an extremely furry secret.

I was amused by her support yesterday for my Oddwen-theory. I didn't give it too much thought at the time. But looking back, she seems to have missed my point. It wasn't Oddwen in the particular who I thought was a wolf. Just one of the three who voted for tgwbs on DAY 1. That includes The Elf-Warrior and littlemanpoet. Her flip-flopping over The Elf-Warrior is strange, and her certainty over littlemanpoet's innocence (post #187) is very strange indeed. Why Oddwen and only Oddwen? I admit my huge blunder in singling her out, but the mistake makes me all the more sure that either The Elf-Warrior or littlemanpoet is guilty. But Kitanna is now prepared to let both my suspects off the hook. This is not following my theory at all, which leads me to ask 'Why did she follow the theory initially?' This looks like wolvish bandwagoning which missed the essential point.

Also, her stance towards Mormegil is even more baffling. She was (rightly) allowed that early defence of the executioner's bloodlust, attributing it to his profession. However, she then declares (in post #102) that she is always suspicious of that 'sneaky man'. But wait a minute! Just a couple of posts ago she decided that Mormegil was innocent. That's flip-flopping and with no reasons given.

She's completely untrustworthy. I think I know where my vote's going this evening.

mormegil · 07-29-2005, 01:30 PM

I am getting a bit concerned for the safety of our seer. We have 14 people left 3 of whom are wolves so 11 for the wolves to choose from. The seer has had 3 dreams which could shed some light on the situation. Of course, if those dreams were about people who have died then they are pointless now. I don't want the seer to reveal themselves at this time. However it is imperative that the seer begin leaving some clues of who they dreampt of. The seer should not make them too obvious so as to allow the wolves to identifiy him/her but they should be disernable upon the seer's death if that were to happen. If it appears that the seer will be lynched, please proclaim yourself and your dreams. Even if it's just innocents at least we will know somebody we can trust.

What does everybody else think?

07-29-2005, 11:33 AM	#2
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Just noticed Oromin's post before mine; I'm not sure how seriously to treat it. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

07-29-2005, 11:50 AM	#3
Orominuialwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2003 Location: Umbar, but before the corsairs took over. (Ave Maria University, FL, USA) Posts: 632	I am a wolf. I am in circumstances that may make it difficult for me to participate, and at some point completely impossible. Do yourselves all a favor and lynch me. You'll kill a wolf, and not have to deal with a severe lack of posts from me. Lhuna and wilwa are my fellow wolves. Since I (hopefully) will no longer be here, I no longer care what happens. Believe me if you will. We discussed this last NIGHT and decided that the best way for me to get out would be to confuse the heck out of everybody so that you will vote for me sooner or later. Like I said, believe what you like, but if you don't lynch me, sooner or later I will have to pull out of the game if at all possible. Do yourselves all a favor and lynch me now. __________________ Gone for lentSeeyou at Easter! (And on Sundays too, maybe.)

07-29-2005, 12:17 PM	#6
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Oromin is very confusing that is something I am sure of. And I personally think that she is the Cobbler. I would urge people not to vote for her because I think she is trying to protect the wolves, one of which I sincerely believe to be Kitanna. Therefore of the two people she has mentioned - wilwa and Lhuna - I think only one is actually a wolf. My suspicions there rest on wilwa who was mentioned by both our Hunter and our Ranger. Kitanna's change of heart about Elf-Warrior is causing me some trouble with deciding whether he is a wolf or not so I would appreciate hearing some more from him today so I can use his posts to make decisions rather than vague 'flipflopping' from Kitanna. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

07-29-2005, 12:45 PM	#8
Orominuialwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2003 Location: Umbar, but before the corsairs took over. (Ave Maria University, FL, USA) Posts: 632	Perhaps I am who I say I am and perhaps I'm not, but you would be well advised to lynch me. If you trust nothiong else, trust this. There's no reason to kill somebody who could be innocent when I've admitted my guilt. I have no idea if I will be back later. I hope you will follow my lead and do the right thing. ++ OROMINUIALWEN __________________ Gone for lentSeeyou at Easter! (And on Sundays too, maybe.)

07-29-2005, 01:26 PM	#9
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	This post will not focus on Oromin. Quite frankly, I'm too confused to take her admissions seriously at the moment, though I will return to them. Kitanna's the one I'm concentrating on. I think that pretty face is hiding an extremely furry secret. I was amused by her support yesterday for my Oddwen-theory. I didn't give it too much thought at the time. But looking back, she seems to have missed my point. It wasn't Oddwen in the particular who I thought was a wolf. Just one of the three who voted for tgwbs on DAY 1. That includes The Elf-Warrior and littlemanpoet. Her flip-flopping over The Elf-Warrior is strange, and her certainty over littlemanpoet's innocence (post #187) is very strange indeed. Why Oddwen and only Oddwen? I admit my huge blunder in singling her out, but the mistake makes me all the more sure that either The Elf-Warrior or littlemanpoet is guilty. But Kitanna is now prepared to let both my suspects off the hook. This is not following my theory at all, which leads me to ask 'Why did she follow the theory initially?' This looks like wolvish bandwagoning which missed the essential point. Also, her stance towards Mormegil is even more baffling. She was (rightly) allowed that early defence of the executioner's bloodlust, attributing it to his profession. However, she then declares (in post #102) that she is always suspicious of that 'sneaky man'. But wait a minute! Just a couple of posts ago she decided that Mormegil was innocent. That's flip-flopping and with no reasons given. She's completely untrustworthy. I think I know where my vote's going this evening. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

07-29-2005, 11:27 AM	#1
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	I would say that Oddwen being innocent makes it more likely that Elf-Warrior is a wolf. It would be odd for two wolves to vote for the same person unless they were sure that pretty much the whole village was going to vote and not that many people did on Day 1. And, if you are a wolf as I am thinking at the moment then this sudden move away from suspecting someone seems a little suspicious to me. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

07-29-2005, 01:30 PM	#10
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	The Seer Problem I am getting a bit concerned for the safety of our seer. We have 14 people left 3 of whom are wolves so 11 for the wolves to choose from. The seer has had 3 dreams which could shed some light on the situation. Of course, if those dreams were about people who have died then they are pointless now. I don't want the seer to reveal themselves at this time. However it is imperative that the seer begin leaving some clues of who they dreampt of. The seer should not make them too obvious so as to allow the wolves to identifiy him/her but they should be disernable upon the seer's death if that were to happen. If it appears that the seer will be lynched, please proclaim yourself and your dreams. Even if it's just innocents at least we will know somebody we can trust. What does everybody else think? __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”