The Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Formendacil · 07-22-2005, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamwiseGamgee

Please, Formendacil, do not underrate yourself. You are no mere aspirer to Warg knowlege, but an esteemed purveyor thereof.

But can anyone truly claim anything more than aspirations where Wargs are concerned? These marvellous, mysterious, magnificent creatures transcent human understanding. I may consider myself an accomplished scholar in their historical relations with Man, but can I truly claim to fathom their inner being?

SamwiseGamgee · 07-23-2005, 06:42 AM

A fair point, my esteemed peer. Even the greatest of Warg scholars can never truly grasp how deep, wide and high the glory of the Warg is.

Quote:

If all the sky were parchment, and the oceans filled with ink,
if every blade of grass a quill, and every man a scribe,
yet still though each had one thousand years the sky could not contain,
the deeds of Wargs and all the joy one gains from knowing them.

By the Unknown Poet

Kath · 07-23-2005, 07:08 AM

I have now (finally) read through this fascinating thread from beginning to end and feel I must post my admiration for those who have taken such time and effort to search through the history of both worlds to find the truth behind wargs. I am also incredibly jealous of those such as Fingolfin who have had the (possibly somewhat mixed) belssing of meeting such amazing creatures.

I had always felt a little off about PJ's interpretation of the wargs but I never realised quite how wrong he had got it! Although as I recall from a couple of pages ago, Neurion did find some evidence for their predilection for jumping off precipices

.

Now whilst reading this thread my sister was hanging over my shoulder demanding an explanation for my interminably long time on the computer. When I told her of what I was reading she said, and I quote, "What, those hyena things in the movie?" I then realised quite how into this I had become as I proceeded to tell her of the history of the wargs and their shameful treatment by the biased writers of history (and berated her for using the word movie when she is, in fact, English). Needless to say by the end of my diatribe she was cowering in a corner professing her love of wargs and all they entail.

I will keep a keen eye out for wargs from now on. I am going to Spain in the summer and I believe Eomer that you said this was quite a hotspot for warg knowledge so if I find any I will of course inform you.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-23-2005, 07:57 AM

Welcome Kath and thank you to everyone for breathing new life into the Appreciation Thread.

Your powers of persuasion are mighty Kath (and bonus points for that 'movie' deal). Indeed, Spain is a country where Wargs are held in the highest esteem. Not by all, of course, but if a man ever tried to organize an anti-Warg march in Spain then he would likely be ripped apart by frenzied Warg enthusiasts. Whereas in Britain such marches are held almost weekly. Fact.

This also explains the great love and admiration felt for Wargs in South America. In fact, it is probably only in Hispanic countries, much of Africa and a hefty section of Asia where Wargs are truly loved. People differ from place to place, obviously.

Formendacil, that was inspiring stuff you presented and I hope to comment on it before too long. Thanks!

Nilpaurion Felagund · 07-24-2005, 11:38 PM

I found this tale in one of the manuscripts woven by Vairë in the Halls of Mandos.

Yondaimë and the Kyuubi

Contrary to popular belief, the winged Dragons were not the greatest of Morgoth's monsters. The title rightfully belongs to the Kyuubi, a powerful Ainu--originally a Maia of Oromë--in the form of a nine-tailed Warg. Yet the Kyuubi did not issue from the pits of Angband, for he saw the victory of the Host of Valinor. As Eönwë and his warriors descended into the Halls of Morgoth, he fled to the east of East, near the ancient region of Hildórien.

In that region was a little village named Konoha, where dwelt the remnant of the Edain who refused the summons of Morgoth. They saw the onslaught of the giant Warg, and they were seized with fear. But their leader, Yondaimë, said to them, "Fear not, for he shall not ravage your home while I yet live." So he went on to face the Kyuubi in the forest surrounding Konoha, and their dreadful battle began.

The Warg mocked the Man, saying, "Foolish one, weakest of Men, and they least of all that speak, will you now dare to battle the great Kyuubi?"

Yondaimë said naught in return, but summoned the giant frog Gama Bunta, who dwelt in the deeps of Cuiviénen. Then, riding upon his steed, he charged upon the Kyuubi, yet the Warg leaped away, and with one of his tail he swept the legs of Gama Bunta from under him. The frog of Ulmo fell to the ground, and Yondaimë's body was broken beneath him. Knowing that his death was near, Yondaimë prayed to Eru, "Might I still the mighty beast that dares to destroy our estel. Eru give me strength!"

And Eru, from beyond Arda, hearkened to his prayer, and he sent Mandos to Yondaimë. "The spirit of the Kyuubi you may send to my halls," he said, "yet only if you take him there. Then you must depart the world, for none of the mortals who see my halls return ever to the mortal lands, save Beren, who had a fate apart."

Yondaimë consented, and, departing his body, he wrested the spirit of the Kyuubi from his body, and brought him to the Halls of Mandos, where none can escape, neither Ainu, nor Elf, nor mortal Man. Upon the completion of his task, he left Arda, and was never seen again, noblest of mortal Men.

Here are the pictures of some of the tapestries that depict the dread battle:

High King Fingolfin · 07-25-2005, 03:23 PM

Kyuubi has rather large ears for a Warg. It imust be from the corruption of Morgoth.

Welcome spawn, Kitanna, and Kath. And welcome back Formendacil and Nilpaurion. I am glad we are attracting so many new people, and old ones are coming back. It must be the pull that the mighty Wargs exert on us all.

Alas I feel my sister Oromin will not be coming back She only came to correct me.

We have been having severe weather lately. Perhaps the Wargs are feeling wrathful.

SamwiseGamgee · 07-25-2005, 05:18 PM

Interesting, Fingolfin, that you should mention the Wargs having an influence on the weather. For longer than your young mind can ever begin to imagine the debate has raged on about whether or not Wargs can influence weather systems and perhaps even exert their wrath upon others with bad weather. There have been many esteemed subscribers to this theory. Dr. Alain Dupoincarre, that most emminent French Warg expert, for one, as well as Lance Corporal Billiam Fitzgennings, the British officer who devoted his later life to the study of Indian Wargs.

I, however, have never held to this theory. As mighty and all-transcending as Wargs are, I have never come across anything which would lead me to believe they have power over the weather. Furthermore, in knowing of the existence of that most infamous of creatures, the Demon of Weather, I know that little metreological activity occurs without his express permission, which he is loathe to give.

But, pray tell, fellow Warg-lovers, what are your views?

07-23-2005, 07:08 AM	#3
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	I have now (finally) read through this fascinating thread from beginning to end and feel I must post my admiration for those who have taken such time and effort to search through the history of both worlds to find the truth behind wargs. I am also incredibly jealous of those such as Fingolfin who have had the (possibly somewhat mixed) belssing of meeting such amazing creatures. I had always felt a little off about PJ's interpretation of the wargs but I never realised quite how wrong he had got it! Although as I recall from a couple of pages ago, Neurion did find some evidence for their predilection for jumping off precipices . Now whilst reading this thread my sister was hanging over my shoulder demanding an explanation for my interminably long time on the computer. When I told her of what I was reading she said, and I quote, "What, those hyena things in the movie?" I then realised quite how into this I had become as I proceeded to tell her of the history of the wargs and their shameful treatment by the biased writers of history (and berated her for using the word movie when she is, in fact, English). Needless to say by the end of my diatribe she was cowering in a corner professing her love of wargs and all they entail. I will keep a keen eye out for wargs from now on. I am going to Spain in the summer and I believe Eomer that you said this was quite a hotspot for warg knowledge so if I find any I will of course inform you. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

07-23-2005, 07:57 AM	#4
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Welcome Kath and thank you to everyone for breathing new life into the Appreciation Thread. Your powers of persuasion are mighty Kath (and bonus points for that 'movie' deal). Indeed, Spain is a country where Wargs are held in the highest esteem. Not by all, of course, but if a man ever tried to organize an anti-Warg march in Spain then he would likely be ripped apart by frenzied Warg enthusiasts. Whereas in Britain such marches are held almost weekly. Fact. This also explains the great love and admiration felt for Wargs in South America. In fact, it is probably only in Hispanic countries, much of Africa and a hefty section of Asia where Wargs are truly loved. People differ from place to place, obviously. Formendacil, that was inspiring stuff you presented and I hope to comment on it before too long. Thanks! __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

07-24-2005, 11:38 PM	#5
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	After exhaustive (and exhausting) research . . . I found this tale in one of the manuscripts woven by Vairë in the Halls of Mandos. Yondaimë and the Kyuubi Contrary to popular belief, the winged Dragons were not the greatest of Morgoth's monsters. The title rightfully belongs to the Kyuubi, a powerful Ainu--originally a Maia of Oromë--in the form of a nine-tailed Warg. Yet the Kyuubi did not issue from the pits of Angband, for he saw the victory of the Host of Valinor. As Eönwë and his warriors descended into the Halls of Morgoth, he fled to the east of East, near the ancient region of Hildórien. In that region was a little village named Konoha, where dwelt the remnant of the Edain who refused the summons of Morgoth. They saw the onslaught of the giant Warg, and they were seized with fear. But their leader, Yondaimë, said to them, "Fear not, for he shall not ravage your home while I yet live." So he went on to face the Kyuubi in the forest surrounding Konoha, and their dreadful battle began. The Warg mocked the Man, saying, "Foolish one, weakest of Men, and they least of all that speak, will you now dare to battle the great Kyuubi?" Yondaimë said naught in return, but summoned the giant frog Gama Bunta, who dwelt in the deeps of Cuiviénen. Then, riding upon his steed, he charged upon the Kyuubi, yet the Warg leaped away, and with one of his tail he swept the legs of Gama Bunta from under him. The frog of Ulmo fell to the ground, and Yondaimë's body was broken beneath him. Knowing that his death was near, Yondaimë prayed to Eru, "Might I still the mighty beast that dares to destroy our estel. Eru give me strength!" And Eru, from beyond Arda, hearkened to his prayer, and he sent Mandos to Yondaimë. "The spirit of the Kyuubi you may send to my halls," he said, "yet only if you take him there. Then you must depart the world, for none of the mortals who see my halls return ever to the mortal lands, save Beren, who had a fate apart." Yondaimë consented, and, departing his body, he wrested the spirit of the Kyuubi from his body, and brought him to the Halls of Mandos, where none can escape, neither Ainu, nor Elf, nor mortal Man. Upon the completion of his task, he left Arda, and was never seen again, noblest of mortal Men. Here are the pictures of some of the tapestries that depict the dread battle: Kyuubi Gama Bunta __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good... Last edited by Nilpaurion Felagund; 07-24-2005 at 11:42 PM.

07-25-2005, 03:23 PM	#6
High King Fingolfin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Where the Wargs thrive, a.k.a. Madison, WI Posts: 437	Kyuubi has rather large ears for a Warg. It imust be from the corruption of Morgoth. Welcome spawn, Kitanna, and Kath. And welcome back Formendacil and Nilpaurion. I am glad we are attracting so many new people, and old ones are coming back. It must be the pull that the mighty Wargs exert on us all. Alas I feel my sister Oromin will not be coming back She only came to correct me. We have been having severe weather lately. Perhaps the Wargs are feeling wrathful. __________________ "Outside of a Warg, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a Warg, it's too dark to read." - Wargo Marx Last edited by High King Fingolfin; 07-25-2005 at 03:24 PM. Reason: Spelling

07-25-2005, 05:18 PM	#7
SamwiseGamgee Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In the warm bosom of a Warg Posts: 378	Interesting, Fingolfin, that you should mention the Wargs having an influence on the weather. For longer than your young mind can ever begin to imagine the debate has raged on about whether or not Wargs can influence weather systems and perhaps even exert their wrath upon others with bad weather. There have been many esteemed subscribers to this theory. Dr. Alain Dupoincarre, that most emminent French Warg expert, for one, as well as Lance Corporal Billiam Fitzgennings, the British officer who devoted his later life to the study of Indian Wargs. I, however, have never held to this theory. As mighty and all-transcending as Wargs are, I have never come across anything which would lead me to believe they have power over the weather. Furthermore, in knowing of the existence of that most infamous of creatures, the Demon of Weather, I know that little metreological activity occurs without his express permission, which he is loathe to give. But, pray tell, fellow Warg-lovers, what are your views? __________________ -- Well, I'm back.