Tol-in-Gaurhoth IV (The Saga, erm, Still Continues...)

[Lalaith]

The only case in which that wouldn't be true is if Fea had no fear that Esgal or Oddwen would receive any more votes (or enough to get lynched, anyway).

My trouble is, how could *anyone* know whether or not more people would vote after them? Except Eomer, who posted with just 2 minutes to go.
And why did Saurreg, knowing that three villagers stood to die, therefore think it was ok for him not to vote? And did he not think that perhaps he would join them (as indeed he almost did, were it not for Eomer's last minute vote...)

[Lalaith]

Suggestion to Firefoot - could you edit your excellent list with a list of those who didn't vote, and why (eg the two who had notified of their absence etc) I think that could be significant, too...

[Hookbill the Goomba]

There was a power cut in my area before I was able to vote and by the time it was over, I had forgotten. It was not my fault, so don't castrate me! Perhaps some people did not vote as it is the first night and it was very unlikely that we'd catch a W-w so early on. I don't know, I'm only guessing.

[Firefoot]

Lalaith (and everyone) - list has been edited accordingly. I listed the reasons of those who gave them and added a few notable comments (eg about Saurreg leaving in the middle of voting).

It is completely understandable for people to accidentally miss a vote for whatever reason. However, if you know (or find it likely) that you will miss a vote, vote earlier. There is nothing wrong with this. Though no one wants to be the first vote, voting before everyone else is better than not voting at all, especially at this point in the game.

[Evisse the Blue]

And it's mostly aimed at me and at those who arrived yesterday just in time for the lynching and didn't get to cast the vote. I was foolishly certain the voting deadline was 6 PM GMT. For what it's worth it, I'm really sorry, Kath. And if you guys are wondering, I was going to vote, and my vote would have been for Oddwen. So all the more I kick myself right now, because even if Oddwen is innocent, I doubt she is a gifted villager. But then again, nobody guessed Kath was a gifted villager - although, having looked back now I read things differently: the way she reacted to phantom's plan, recognizing that it could offer her protection.
I too am at a loss as to why Azaelia was slaughtered by the werewolves tonight (and in such a gruesome way too! )

But something else is on my mind right now: Feanor's vote for Eomer yesterday. I don't find any logical basis for it, and it seemed to be a gut reaction to him suspecting her. Anyway, I am most puzzled by the time when she chose to cast that vote (20 minutes before the deadline) - and while some of us thought the deadline extended to 6 PM GMT, Fea knew the voting was going to end in 18 minutes, she said so in her post. By that time, 4 other people were voted for. The chances that innocents were going to come in those 18 minutes to ensure that 5 people didn't get lynched were about as high (or I'd rather say 'low') as werewolves coming along to ensure a few more got lynched. If no one else showed up, those 5 would have died anyway. Now, the problem is we can't know for sure if people didn't vote because they didn't pay attention to the deadline change or werewolves didn't show up to vote because a werewolf was on that list. Or - the other possibility, that has already been mentioned, that werewolves did vote. In that last case, Fea's vote for Eomer when so little time was left seems highly suspicious.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

But something else is on my mind right now: Feanor's vote for Eomer yesterday. I don't find any logical basis for it, and it seemed to be a gut reaction to him suspecting her.

You know why I voted for Eomer? Because I was truly only suspicious of three people. You know which three people? The phantom, Eomer, and Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant (she, by the way, is "Someone Else"). None of them were on the list, so no matter what, I was going to be voting for somebody besides those people. I wasn't about to vote for a person I didn't suspect. So I had my three guesses, and I had to pick which one. I posted my suspect post and then, when finished, I looked at the clock, remembered I had to go take a three hour Regents exam very soon, and then suddenly remembered that the deadline was in 18 minutes. I knew I wasn't going to be able to come back, so I had to EDIT in a snap decision. Since I was most suspicious at Eomer at that point, I tagged him for it. Then I went and may or may not have failed a long and arduous physics test. I simply assumed that a few more of our many villagers would show up and vote, since there was such a wonderful twenty minute window of opportunity.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Maybe the reason that the phantom wasn't targeted (assuming he's not a wolf, of course) is that he said that he expected to be killed soon and they weren't going to give him credibility.

Yes, the same thought crossed my mind. Although, its still early days and I think he'll show his true colours soon enough.

Eomer, you're thoughts on the possible accidental lynching of our seer are interesting. No, we don't need the seer, par se, but he / she's a useful tool (yes, I've read the rules a little more now ) I will be suspicious of anyone who would try to lynch someone with seer like qualities so early on in the game....

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Um, Hookbill, you've completely lost me. I have no idea what you are talking about.

Dancing spawn? Hmm, I'm intrigued as to why her name has been brought up as a suspect. I'm looking keenly at phantom and Saurreg as two of our wolves at the moment.

[Celuien]

Thanks, Firefoot.

The more I think about it, the more suspicious I am of Saurreg. It doesn't make sense for an innocent not to vote once the tie was in place. Reading his post again, it looks like he expected not three but five villagers to die since we didn't know that Anguirel and Esgallhugwen had given notice of their absence yet. In fact, seeing that post almost made me wish I could retract my vote for Oddwen. Of course, I realize that I was involved in creating the tie, but at the time, the only other votes were for Kath and Esgallhugwen. I saw no reason to be suspicious of Kath, so I didn't vote for her. I didn't want to vote for a villager who hadn't said anything yet, which is why I didn't cast my vote for Esgallhugwen. And I did expect a few more people to vote before the deadline to prevent a potential five-villager slaughter. I'm going to be watching closely for Saurreg's posts...

I suppose Azaelia's selection could have been a random draw from the non-loudmouth pool.

Maybe the reason that the phantom wasn't targeted (assuming he's not a wolf, of course) is that he said that he expected to be killed soon and they weren't going to give him credibility.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

A little confusion happened to me yesterday concerning the deadline. I was typing my post in the belief that I had yet an hour till I have to cast my vote. I sent it but obviously night time had come and I ended up deleting the post.
Unfortunately I have to admit that I would have voted for Kath because somehow I felt she was suspicious. I see that I was terribly wrong and almost built phantom a "told you so" placard.

Another thing I would have liked to say yesterday is that I wonder, what made Saurreg say this: "I don't think I need even to vote today." When does he need to vote, then? I don't want to attack anyone (yet) especially because I feel bad because of my stupid time zone blunder. I'm just thinking aloud. And I'll think aloud more a bit later.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Fea, you seem to suspect littlemanpoet, phantom and myself simply because we have held correspondence with you, and thus natural suspicion had the chance to arise. The loudmouth effect. Also, I note you didn't take the time to react to my riposte, which I gave right before Kath's death. All you did was reinforce your suspicion of me. I'm not sure this is completely fair. If my points do not satisfy you then please explain how and why.

I wouldn't look too far for a reason in Azaelia's death. No loudmouth would be killed; Esgal or Ang wouldn't be killed (for reasons all gamers must surely realise ) and there was not a whole lot of distinction between the others. Azaelia did annoy the phantom with one of her posts, maybe it was to cast suspicion on the phantom?

I am much more interested in why the wolves didn't go after the phantom. Maybe they just haven't picked up on the central aspect of his plan. Think about it. Either the wolves are not smart at all, or the phantom is one of them.

Saurreg's behaviour at the end of the last day was odd. I'm not sure why he would willingly put to death a whole bunch of people. Surely he could have nominated one villager out of the list, to avoid large-scale and mostly unintelligible bloodshed.

Anyway, I think we all realise that voting is important today. Let's see some participation, people!