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Eomer of the Rohirrim · 06-05-2005, 12:53 PM

Maybe Merry and Pippin did not know about Sam's tale. Maybe, after being mocked in said pub, Sam just didn't bother to tell anyone else. And remember that he didn't have too much contact with Merry or Pippin until Frodo left home.

Folwren · 06-24-2005, 02:45 PM

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Maybe Merry and Pippin did not know about Sam's tale. Maybe, after being mocked in said pub, Sam just didn't bother to tell anyone else. And remember that he didn't have too much contact with Merry or Pippin until Frodo left home.

They may not have known about his story, but they were having contact with him because he was the one doing all their spying up at Bag End.

And I don't know why Pippin or Merry didn't mention anything to Treebeard...I've never thought about it. But it could easily have slipped their mind, seeing as the poor chaps had just been through a lot.

I highly doubt Sam was daunted by Ted's jeering in the Green Dragon.

the guy who be short · 06-24-2005, 03:14 PM

The complex theory:

Sam never told Merry and Pippin because it's not really a subject that crops up often. "Hey Sam, have you seen any walking trees recently?

If you thought that was simple... the simple theory:

Tolkien forgot about it. Posibly he put it in intending to have some connection to the Ents or some later relevance and then forgot. He was only human, after all, despite contrary opinion.

Kuruharan · 06-24-2005, 04:21 PM

I bet they talked about it afterwards, since Merry and Pippin had been in contact with walking trees.

However, I suspect that dear cousin Hal might have had a few more than was quite good for him (awfully boring out there on the moor). I seriously doubt he saw an Ent.

the guy who be short · 06-25-2005, 06:27 AM

I took the question to mean why M&P didn't tell Treebeard when they first met him and he asked about the sight of Entwives. Who's to say that afterwards, they didn't go back, and the Ents didn't have a last bloom before their fall?

This is quite interesting actually. Why did Tolkien put the line about Hal in? Did he forget about it afterwards? Does it imply that the Ents and Entwives were reunited afterwards?

Folwren · 06-25-2005, 07:16 AM

He may have forgotten about it later...but he might have added that line in at the very beginning just becaue he thought walking trees would be cool and he wanted to develope Sam's and Ted Sandyman's character right there in your first introduction of the two of them. He might have been thinking more Old Forest than Ent when he had Sam bring the topic up.

Kuruharan · 06-25-2005, 09:10 AM

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Why did Tolkien put the line about Hal in?

I think it was all part of making the world around the hobbits less stable and explainable.

I don't recall that Merry and Pippin went back and talked to Treebeard again, but I may be forgetting something.

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Does it imply that the Ents and Entwives were reunited afterwards?

Hopeful souls have thought so, but I really doubt it.

06-05-2005, 12:53 PM	#1
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Maybe Merry and Pippin did not know about Sam's tale. Maybe, after being mocked in said pub, Sam just didn't bother to tell anyone else. And remember that he didn't have too much contact with Merry or Pippin until Frodo left home. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

06-24-2005, 04:21 PM	#4
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,593	I bet they talked about it afterwards, since Merry and Pippin had been in contact with walking trees. However, I suspect that dear cousin Hal might have had a few more than was quite good for him (awfully boring out there on the moor). I seriously doubt he saw an Ent. __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

06-25-2005, 07:16 AM	#6
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	He may have forgotten about it later...but he might have added that line in at the very beginning just becaue he thought walking trees would be cool and he wanted to develope Sam's and Ted Sandyman's character right there in your first introduction of the two of them. He might have been thinking more Old Forest than Ent when he had Sam bring the topic up. __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

06-24-2005, 03:14 PM	#3
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	The complex theory: Sam never told Merry and Pippin because it's not really a subject that crops up often. "Hey Sam, have you seen any walking trees recently? If you thought that was simple... the simple theory: Tolkien forgot about it. Posibly he put it in intending to have some connection to the Ents or some later relevance and then forgot. He was only human, after all, despite contrary opinion.

06-25-2005, 06:27 AM	#5
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	I took the question to mean why M&P didn't tell Treebeard when they first met him and he asked about the sight of Entwives. Who's to say that afterwards, they didn't go back, and the Ents didn't have a last bloom before their fall? This is quite interesting actually. Why did Tolkien put the line about Hal in? Did he forget about it afterwards? Does it imply that the Ents and Entwives were reunited afterwards?