The Eagles

[Gird]

I have myself thought long and hard about this subject, and I think it would work. If they had taken the eagles from the start, then the ring wraiths would still be riding horses, there would be no way to attack the eagles. Also, if they flew above the clouds for the last few miles, they would not be visible to Mordor's armies.

The time would also be lessened so much that Frodo would not be nearly as attached to the ring and would have a lot less trouble disposing of it in the end. He would then not have to go to the grey havens at the end because he'd be perfectly healthy and would feel rest in the shire.

In the worst case scenario, Sauron would sense the ring coming and would have troops all around the mountain. Those troops would be easy enough for Gandalf to take care of and make a path for Frodo to get the ring in. Sadly, Frodo and Gandalf might be sacrificed in this desperate run, but it would be better to lose two then to lose the hundreds and thousands that do die in the story as it is right now.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Manwe could have done it and saved even more time.

[Eledhewin Ilanora]

I think Tolkein had balanced everything in his books. When there is eagles it was balanced with the nazguls. Without the nazguls the whole story about the eagles appearing here and there would look silly, and the whole epic will be ridiculous since the eagles could be used to a great extend.

When the eagle saved Gandalf from Isengard, could it be that Saruman had tipped off Sauron about the Eagles involvements? And Sauron do have a counter plans to bring down the eagles should they carry the ring or the ringbearer at any range?

Though, Sauron was to stupid to know that his beloved ring was actually heading towards his own fords, he left the Mount Doom unguarded all the while. Or he is too confident that none can actually make it into his teritory.

But, seeing eagles flying into Mt.Doom would trigger him to excute his counter plan against the eagles. Gandalf and eagles could have know this. It makes sense.

If so..could it be that Sauron is allready eyeing the eagles..thus making any attempts by the eagle to destroy his plans would be useless??

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I think the main (only) purpose of this thread is to point out how silly the films were in that regard. Or how awkward it was to turn the story into a film.

I appreciate the difficulty but really: the Eagles were not explained at all. As a consequence, the non-book-reader was left scratching his/her head, or venturing to offer theories already scrutinised 100 times on the Downs alone.

[Nimrodel_9]

Baffling for the movie-goer.

Heh heh...

Because if the Eagles were to just drop the Ring into Mount Doom there wouldn't be a story!

If that's not good enough for you, then the Eagles don't want to serve anyone. They want to be free.

Nim

[Gelmir]

*laughs*

Do the Eagles have super healing powers in there talons? I mean, if you were in the middle of a lava flow on a rock, it must be breathless. Didn't Frodo's and Sam's lungs-get-full-of-magma... Steam? They should- I mean could have died! Unless them Eagles had some secret powers in there talons to heal hobbits lungs! Maybe a hidden needle goes into them and it acts like a reliever, those with asthma, or know someone with asthma will know what I mean.

~Gelmir~

[Boromir88]

I appreciate the difficulty but really: the Eagles were not explained at all. As a consequence, the non-book-reader was left scratching his/her head, or venturing to offer theories already scrutinised 100 times on the Downs alone.

Well put Mr. Eomer.

There are many problems with the Eagle theory of taking Frodo (with the ring) to Mount Doom.

One, They're not a FedEx service, that just does Gandalf (or anyone else's) bidding. They are servants of Manwe and do not have to obey anyone else. Gwaihir helps out Gandalf because Gandalf healed him from a poison arrow. If Gwaihir (or the eagles) didn't want to help out Gandalf they didn't have to.

It makes an awful story. "Gwaihir take Frodo to Mount Doom." "Ok." Forget all the stuff that makes the stories good (the characters, the ride to the black gates...etc) Let's scrap all that because since Eagles can go unseen there's no point for striking up a war and a diversion to keep Sauron busy.

Seeing as I doubt the Eagles would agree to such a thing, that means it aint gonna happen.

The Eagles could be clearly spotted, as Gwaihir was spotted several times when he carried around Gandalf and viewed areas for him. So, they're open targets and once Sauron finds out, it's gonna be pretty much over.

Finally, what good would the eagles do in the matter of destroying the ring? In Tolkien's letter to Milton Waldman he makes it clear that no one could "neglect, injure, or cast away the ring..." So even if the Eagles decided to take Frodo to Mount Doom and got him in Sammath Naur safely still doesn't solve anything as Frodo would do the same thing. Just claim the ring.

[Elladan and Elrohir]

Originally Posted by Gird

I have myself thought long and hard about this subject, and I think it would work. If they had taken the eagles from the start, then the ring wraiths would still be riding horses, there would be no way to attack the eagles. Also, if they flew above the clouds for the last few miles, they would not be visible to Mordor's armies.

The time would also be lessened so much that Frodo would not be nearly as attached to the ring and would have a lot less trouble disposing of it in the end. He would then not have to go to the grey havens at the end because he'd be perfectly healthy and would feel rest in the shire.

In the worst case scenario, Sauron would sense the ring coming and would have troops all around the mountain. Those troops would be easy enough for Gandalf to take care of and make a path for Frodo to get the ring in. Sadly, Frodo and Gandalf might be sacrificed in this desperate run, but it would be better to lose two then to lose the hundreds and thousands that do die in the story as it is right now.

What happens when Sauron himself shows up at Mount Doom? You think Gandalf can just "take care" of him? Plus, it don't matter how long you have it, no one could throw the Ring into the Cracks of Doom. The Ring's power is stronger nowhere else than at Mount Doom. No one had the will power to throw it in, not Frodo, not Gandalf, not anybody. Game over. Free Peoples lose. Insert tokens.

[The Perky Ent]

One of the greatest plotholes in all of LOTR!

BTW, they coulda dropped the ring from the top of the mountain, and if not there, the eagle could throw Frodo off