The Fall of the North Planning/Discussion Thread

[Nuranar]

I just went to write in my post, but I've gotted really mixed up when I tried to understand the situation. My understanding, as I read through the journeying posts, is that

1. Most of the Elves & Faerim were in front.
2. Belegorn, Bethiril, and (what appears to be) the main body of soldiers. (How many soldiers ARE there, by the way?)
3. Carthor & Co., apparently including all of the civilians and miscellaneous soldiers.

That is how I construct the marching order. Now for a rundown of events, post-by-post:

1. Renedwen wanders on when her group (#3) stops. She gets caught in spider web and starts screaming.
2. Carthor's group investigate a storeroom and are interrupted by Renedwen's screams.
3. Lissi, who had passed the storeroom, rescues Renedwen, and they head back; they are met by some of Carthor's group, and all turn back toward the storeroom once more.
4. Elves & Faerim (group #1) as vanguard (well in front of everyone) hear Renedwen's screams and start back. Immediately they begin to hear troll drums from what is now behind them - what is waaaay in front of everybody.
5. They run into Belegorn & Bethiril (group #2). On Belegorn's orders (and hearing of trolls), some soldiers retreat back up the tunnel (which ought to be toward group #3). Group #1, Belegorn, Bethiril, and the few remaining soldiers then hear different screams - from further back behind in the tunnel. Faerim takes off, followed by Erenor, and is attacked by something. I presume this is Renedwen's mistaken turnoff; if so, group #3 is still further back up the tunnel.
6. The trolls hear a scream - EITHER Renedwen's OR the second set - follow up and meet with somebody.
7. Erenor fights the spider that has attacked Faerim.
8. Carthor, in front of the 6 or 7 men who left the storeroom after hearing Renedwen, meets up with Lissi & Renedwen coming out of the spidery turnoff. They head back to the storeroom but get lost. NOTE:

   In the confusion and hurry that had followed Renedwen’s scream, the group of six or seven men that had rushed to her had failed to mark their route. They were now far from the glow of the rest of the group’s torches as they stood perplexed at the door of the storeroom, and had no mark to guide them through the twisting and turning tunnels.

   I'm confused - who is the bolded they? If it's Carthor, Lissi, &c., where is the rest of group #3? I thought the first sentence quoted implies that there were some of group #3 - NOT the 6 or 7 men - who did not go to Renedwen. Or are they the rest of group #3, and it's their torches that Carthor, &c., can't find? Either way, Carthor, &c., run out of torchlight and into trolls. Carthor orders a general retreat.
9. Faerim fights the spider.
10. Erenor and Faerim kill the spider and are joined by Angóre.
11. Belegorn and the rest of his soldiers head back up the tunnel, away from the trolls and toward the screams. Angóre eventually follows.
12. Belegorn and his soldiers reach Faerim and Erenor and their kill, AND Lissi and Renedwen, some distance down the tunnel, but apparently still just recently rescued. They are with some refugees, which ought to be the main body of group #3. Belegorn orders Faerim to lead the women and the rest of the refugees into a side tunnel. Apparently Carthor is not with them - but Osse's post, in which they bump into trolls, includes Lissi, Renedwen, and presumably Brander. Belegorn heads waaaay back up the tunnel, past the spider turn-off, lights a flaming barricade, and heads up another turnoff to divert the advancing trolls.

My immediate problem is that Lissi is in two places at once: (1) Lost with Carthor's group and (2) back with the main body of refugees WITHOUT Carthor. Incidentally, Option 2 leaves unresolved the second set of screams, the ones that send Belegorn and his men back in Post 11. I was going to work this in with running into trolls, in Post 8, but if Lissi and Renedwen aren't running into trolls, who's screaming?

The other major confusion, as I see it, is How on earth does Carthor's group run into trolls in the first place? When they meet up with Lissi and Renedwen at the spider turnoff, they at least start to head BACK up the tunnel toward the storeroom. But they end up waaaay in FRONT of the main body, if they're running into trolls. And if they're in FRONT of the main body, how can the women's screams becoming from the BACK of the tunnel?

And incidentally, just how many people are on this little expedition? How many soldiers are along - and how many extra refugees? There can't be that many, if Lissi and Renedwen are the only women... Can there?

I am most seriously confused!

[Lalwendë]

I'm glad you put that one on, Nuranar! I've been getting a bit confused too, and I was a bit daunted when I came to sit and write a post on Friday, so I had to leave it. I'd like Renedwen to follow where Lissi goes to be honest, so I am stuck.

[Osse]

Well, Saurreg and myself just saw the little problem that is the Ladies Lissi and Renedwen being in two places at once.

We're endeavouring to fix it.

Nuranar... Carthor and the men that rushed towards the scream, were some of those already in the storeroom, and a couple from outside where the rest of the civilians/soldiery were still standing - outiside in the corridor to the right of the door.

Carthor rushed towards the scream, running down around a slight bend, and down towards the fork in the corridors into which Renedwen wanders, just far enough away that they could not see the glow of the other's lights, I mean it's a pretty large party for such a small space, but still.

Carthor finds them going back, and his group of say four soldiers, and two civilians meet up with Lissi and Renedwen as they hobble back. Then it gets interesting...

Carthor takes a wrong turn, into a corridor that runs more or less the same way they have came, one they didn't see on the fast run in, but actually seems like the major route when you come to it. So, the group walks down it...

But it's not straight, far from it, and curves back around towards the storeroom, being one of many streets that leads to it... they come in towards the room from a long way off, in a curve - up behind the trolls, and now on the wrong side of Belegorn's fire wall. So... seven men and two women are trapped with who-knows-how-many trolls...


Does that make sense?


P.S I can change the whole scenario if it suits you all better!

Regards, Osse

[Saurreg]

Good ideas Osse.

Dear all, may I offer this alternative:

1. Renedwen(?) missed the rest of the refugees and veered of into a tunnel where she got caught in the arachnid's webs and screamed really.

2. Lissi went to look for Renedwen with Brander and succeeded. HOWEVER the five of them (including the two children) kinda went off in the wrong direction, i.e. no longer back to the main corridor on their way back.

3. Carthor, scout D and the rest of his men find the five refugees but then the ENTIRE troupe entered ANOTHER wrong passage and they all end up behind the trolls.

4. Mean while the rest of the adventurers (Belegron, Erenor, Angore, Faerim etc) heard the screams and also the sound of drums. They were somewhere ahead of the main body.

5. Erenor and Faerim manage to slay the arachnid close to the vicinity where Renedwen got stuck but the two creature slayers did not make the same mistake as the Dunadains and get themselves lost.

6. Belegorn presumed that Carthor was somewhere near the arachnid's lair looking for the two women and their little tikes but has no idea that they were already behind the trolls.

This would involve lotsa re-editing on everybody's part. But If you, Nuranar would want to claim the right of first post and not want to revise the scenario you set, then let Osse and I know ASAP and do, PLEASE DO give us some suggestions on how we can resolve this confusion.

Peace.

P.S: Kransha, if you're reading, we need your arbitration quick!