Did the Evenstar break? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Encaitare · 04-14-2005, 01:49 PM

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Isn't that before Aragorns vision?

Yes, but if Eldarion is really wearing it (and it's not just symbolic like Dûrbelethwen suggested) then that would mean it did not break and was still around when he was born.

Kath · 04-14-2005, 01:58 PM

Oh Ok I see - but then surely that reinforces the idea that what Aragorn saw wasn't real, as it seems to be a continuing theme.

Also, didn't he have a dream in TTT where it broke?

Assasin · 04-14-2005, 04:07 PM

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Kath

oen't he have a dream in TTT were it broke?

Yes, but I think that was a dream of the future when the Evenstar "broke" in RotK.

Celebuial · 04-15-2005, 03:24 AM

I know for sure that they showed Aragorn wasn't wearing the Evenstar for sure, as me and my mates checked every scene after for a glimpse of it.

To me it doesn't make sense. Firstly it should've been given to Frodo. Anyhoo, it appears to be used through the film as a sign of Arwens 'immortality', so the breaking should signify her choice of staying with Aragorn. However Elrond says: "The Evenstar grows dim" (sorry not sure where/when); which implies that it represents her health as she is becoming ill at this time. Unless of course he was just calling her Evenstar. It is also used to show the future of their relationship, but then the breaking really doesn't make sense. Anyway, it's all too confusing and I don't understand why P-j thought it necessary to add.

It makes no sense what so ever, and I think the only way to find out what it's all about would be to ask the man himself.

Edit: What if it signifies Aragorns loss of hope? Or maybe his loss of confidance in himself and his ability to lead, or win the battles ahead of him?

Kath · 04-15-2005, 03:41 AM

Ok but if we are then thinking that it really did break (as would seem to be the conclusion reached by Celebuial's religious watching of RotK!) then maybe Aragorn's earlier dream of it breaking was a sort of vision of the future?

Nimrodel_9 · 04-15-2005, 11:09 AM

Arwen is the Evenstar. The necklace is the Evenstar Pendant.

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Not to complicate matters, but when Arwen has the vision of her son, she sees him wearing it.

They made a new one?

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It may only be a symbol of that the boy is a part of her.

That works, too.

Just wondering, but did anyone notice that in the book the necklace Arwen gave Frodo is described a lot like the Evenstar Pendant looks in the movie?

Nim

Kath · 04-15-2005, 11:34 AM

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Just wondering, but did anyone notice that in the book the necklace Arwen gave Frodo is described a lot like the Evenstar Pendant looks in the movie?

Yes I did notice that. I thought that maybe PJ had one of his "lets give this a huge part in the films" like he did with Arwen but that this time it pretty much worked, at least it stopped Arwen appearing every 2 seconds as it could be used to show that Aragorn was thinking about her.

04-14-2005, 01:58 PM	#2
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Oh Ok I see - but then surely that reinforces the idea that what Aragorn saw wasn't real, as it seems to be a continuing theme. Also, didn't he have a dream in TTT where it broke? __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

04-15-2005, 03:24 AM	#4
Celebuial Wight Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cardiff during term time/Leicester in the holl's Posts: 129	I know for sure that they showed Aragorn wasn't wearing the Evenstar for sure, as me and my mates checked every scene after for a glimpse of it. To me it doesn't make sense. Firstly it should've been given to Frodo. Anyhoo, it appears to be used through the film as a sign of Arwens 'immortality', so the breaking should signify her choice of staying with Aragorn. However Elrond says: "The Evenstar grows dim" (sorry not sure where/when); which implies that it represents her health as she is becoming ill at this time. Unless of course he was just calling her Evenstar. It is also used to show the future of their relationship, but then the breaking really doesn't make sense. Anyway, it's all too confusing and I don't understand why P-j thought it necessary to add. It makes no sense what so ever, and I think the only way to find out what it's all about would be to ask the man himself. Edit: What if it signifies Aragorns loss of hope? Or maybe his loss of confidance in himself and his ability to lead, or win the battles ahead of him? __________________ Ú cilith ‘war. Ú men ‘war. Boe min mebi. Boe min bango. Last edited by Celebuial; 04-15-2005 at 03:25 AM. Reason: I just had an epithany!!!

04-15-2005, 03:41 AM	#5
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Ok but if we are then thinking that it really did break (as would seem to be the conclusion reached by Celebuial's religious watching of RotK!) then maybe Aragorn's earlier dream of it breaking was a sort of vision of the future? __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”