The Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation Thread

No, I am afraid it is not the same Warg. I named my warg in tribute to the illustrious Wargy. Although, my Warg was only half the Warg that Wargy was.

Many a man, dwarf and elf did we slay together, but we couldn't destroy entire armies like the real Wargy could.

[Gil-Galad]

You know what i relaized, along side the sensless unappreciation of wargs, the orcs receive so much prejudice, many downers enjoy slaughtering the innocent orcs of Mordor(that reminds me of a hilaurious video that is a mix of Farenhiet9/11 and Lord of the Rings, very funny) since no that this thread is world famous, maybe now orcs, and many other unknown beasts can be appreciated for their...umm....Peach Cobbler goodness?

[SamwiseGamgee]

The Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation Thread does exactly what it says on the tin, and no more. We cannot concern ourselves with the ill-fortunes of orckind- no offence, Gangamel.
The injust mistreatment of wargs is more than enough for us to concern ourselves with, and I think it'd take a pretty convincing argument (ie Eru telling me, in person, and accompanying this statement with a signed letter with the witness signatures of at least three of the Valar vouching for thye truth of the statement) for me- or any of us here at the thread- to be convinced that anything else in the whole world was more worthy of my time and effort.

Wargs are the greatest!

Gil-Galad, it is very nice of you to vouch for my kin and the many other under-appreciated beasts of Middle Earth, but I feel we can only truly appreciate the Warg.

The Warg has everything you need to survive in this world. Many a time was I saved from certain death, at the hands of one of my many foes, by Wargy.

I feel that no beast in Middle Earth had as much courage, strength and bravery as the Warg. They were natural born killers, and for that I am grateful.

Wargs are the greatest! Need I say more?

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by SamwiseGamgee

The Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation Thread does exactly what it says on the tin, and no more. We cannot concern ourselves with the ill-fortunes of orckind- no offence, Gangamel.
The injust mistreatment of wargs is more than enough for us to concern ourselves with

But is this not The Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation thread? Is not the fate of the Warg tied inextricably to that much under-appreciated profession of the Warg Rider, who is almost exclusively drawn from the race of the Ork? Should not those who are concerned therefore with the Warg be concerned also with who ride him?

[SamwiseGamgee]

Ah, Formendacil, your point is noted, but I feel that to bestow the title of Warg Rider upon any other than the original and best is an unwise decision. Now, Eomer can correct me if I'm wrong on this point, but I feel it is a valid one to make.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Apologies to The Appreciation Thread for my lack of engagement recently. Computer difficulties.

Hail Gangamel! It is always lovely to see more friends join us here. Once again the topic of Wargy has been brought up, though here the legend is given a slight twist. You speak of this Wargy as a true great of Middle-earth, yet we have heard that that is not so right. I can't remember exactly where in The Thread we spoke of him, but he came across as rather a morally reprehensible fellow indeed. Perhaps you care to defend your friend from these accusations?

As for Orcs, now there is an existential dilemma. Great pity we must feel for these wretched creatures, at least in the whole scheme of things. Theirs is a terrible and miserable fate. Yet we should always remember that Orcs and Wargs are not necessarily linked to one another.

Formendacil touches upon a classic issue in common perceptions of Wargs. It is a shame that the title of Warg Rider has been usurped so diabolically in recent times, always by unworthy Orcs. That is not to say that these Orcs are pathetic; who could ever forget the deeds of the 'Warg Rider' of the 3rd Age? That beast who terrified Elrond, Theoden, Faramir, the Dunlending Wildmen and the entire race of Dwarves among others.

But there is only one Warg Rider: Cam Beleg, of whom Samwise has told the full chilling tale already on The Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation Thread.

[SamwiseGamgee]

Those persistent computer difficulties have caused you more pain than any mere mortal could ever tell, Eomer. The loss of J'Lo is one which shall forever scar Mohammed Milla, I fear.

But getting back to business. Ahem. I am glad that we have clarified this point regarding warg riders. In the film (that most unholy place as far as wargs are concerned) Saruman commanded that the warg riders be sent forth. This has led to the common misconception that any beast who rides on a warg is a warg rider. False. To be a warg rider takes greatness the like of which you and I may never know. There are a few select warg riders who we here at the thread recognise, but it is not, as far as we are concerned, an expandable list. Perhaps one of us could list a definitive guide to warg riders. I can, off the top of my head, think of only two:
The Warg Rider, Cam Beleg; and
the warg rider of the third age, of whom Eomer has told us.
Note that only one Warg Rider has capitalisation. A key point, I feel.

Anyway, my ambling has persisted long enough. I hope that out there our fellow warg and Warg Rider appreciators have new tales to tell on this, the greatest of threads.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by I, in another thread,

Upon trying out his first set of swords from Gondolin, Legolas finds himself between an ork horde on one side and a Warg horde on the other. (A little known fact is that swords from Gondolin glow green in the presence of Wargs.)

Although posted in jest, I seem to recall an obscure reference in the library at Minas Tirith (where, as I am welcome at Aragorn's Court, I have been found often of late), to the fact that Sting, Glamdring, and Orcrist shone green in the presence of Wargs.

Can anyone with Gondolinic knowledge verify this? If so, was it true for all Wargs, or just those corrupted by Morgoth?

[Gil-Galad]

Wargs were probaly just trained from birth by Orcs...

[SamwiseGamgee]

What treachery is this, Gil Galad! Remember you not those words long written:

"The warg bows to no man. His ways are mysterious and for any to try to control him would be folly. The warg does as he pleases, and whether time or history judges him great or fell he concerns himself not with, for he is a warg and as such he thinks on greater things than any mere mortal such as you or I could ever contemplate."

Orcs do not train wargs from birth! Wargs are that most majestic and beautiful creature, and no orc could sullen the good name of wargdom!

Formendacil, I do not know of any such swords, but I am almost entirely sure this is because my knowlege is lacking and not because you're wrong. I shall research the topic, fear not.