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Annunfuiniel · 04-13-2003, 04:13 AM

Why, you're welcome, littlemanpoet! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
But I thought of something that might back up my argument. I managed to find Bright's Old-English Glossary from the web and on the basis of its information I would translate
"hefaenricaes uard" as "Heaven-Kingdom's keeper/guard" or "the keeper of Heaven-Kingdom" (contrast: "the keeper of Heaven's Kingdom").
(heofon (heofone, f) m heaven + gs rîces [rîce n kingdom, sovereignty, authority] >> "kingdom" is in genitive, not "heaven", as is the word "moncynnæs"=mankind's)

So this turns your argument up-side down, littlemanpoet: yes, the lines have the same grammatical constuction but it seems that the latter line ("keeper of mankind" i.e. "Mankind's keeper") is translated more accurately; the emphasis here is on the word "keeper".

So this lines with my thought of repetition: "the keeper of Heaven-Kingdom"="the holy Creator"="the keeper of mankind"=the Eternal Lord"=the Almighty Lord".

How does that sound? Mark again that I really don't know Old-English at all. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

04-13-2003, 04:13 AM	#8
Annunfuiniel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Something close like Shire Posts: 769	Why, you're welcome, littlemanpoet! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] But I thought of something that might back up my argument. I managed to find Bright's Old-English Glossary from the web and on the basis of its information I would translate "hefaenricaes uard" as "Heaven-Kingdom's keeper/guard" or "the keeper of Heaven-Kingdom" (contrast: "the keeper of Heaven's Kingdom"). (heofon (heofone, f) m heaven + gs rîces [rîce n kingdom, sovereignty, authority] >> "kingdom" is in genitive, not "heaven", as is the word "moncynnæs"=mankind's) So this turns your argument up-side down, littlemanpoet: yes, the lines have the same grammatical constuction but it seems that the latter line ("keeper of mankind" i.e. "Mankind's keeper") is translated more accurately; the emphasis here is on the word "keeper". So this lines with my thought of repetition: "the keeper of Heaven-Kingdom"="the holy Creator"="the keeper of mankind"=the Eternal Lord"=the Almighty Lord". How does that sound? Mark again that I really don't know Old-English at all. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Despair is only for those who see the end beyond all doubt.