Tactical discussion: AFDS (anti-Fell Beast - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Lindolirian · 02-11-2005, 07:50 PM

This would do nicely.
However in the event of the lack of technological ability, I would suggest biological warfare. Naturally, the nasty creatures are like carrion-fowl, so all one needs to do is spread some rotten, disease-ridden meat out on an old battlefield and wait for the suckers to take a lunch break. After ingesting the disease, they opt to use their sick days while your army moves in and kills 'em while they're down and out.

alatar · 02-11-2005, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lindolirian

However in the event of the lack of technological ability, I would suggest biological warfare. Naturally, the nasty creatures are like carrion-fowl, so all one needs to do is spread some rotten, disease-ridden meat out on an old battlefield and wait for the suckers to take a lunch break. After ingesting the disease, they opt to use their sick days while your army moves in and kills 'em while they're down and out.

Bio-warfare's a nasty two-edged sword, and so I'd be careful there. Plus, as these are Mordor folk, does 'rotten' mean Lembas? And if they didn't eat Gimpy Gothmog on site, then I'm not sure if they're even hungry.

Neurion · 02-11-2005, 09:36 PM

I hereby present to my esteemed allies of Gondor the weapon that will change your fortunes in this war! Mumak, Troll, Fell Beast, nought can stand against the Gondor Avenger!!

Gondor Avenger

The Only Real Estel · 02-13-2005, 09:49 AM

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If all you had to do to slay a fell beast or a "Nazgul" as all the production team called them, was to hit it with an arrow, don't you think the Gondorians would have been less afraid of them and just shoot at them

True, but Legolas shot one down in the books and you never read anything about the Gondorians shooting them down. Not to mention Jackson's version of the Gondorians makes them out to be rather wimpy.

As to how to combat them, why don't we just call in the Eagles, since they so easily beat them up in the RotK movie?

Essex · 02-13-2005, 10:52 AM

did we see any eagle actually defeat a fell beast? they all shot to mount doom once they got the call from sauron.

The Only Real Estel · 02-13-2005, 11:19 AM

True, but they were giving them hell before that.

Essex · 02-13-2005, 01:18 PM

In the 'real' (i.e. book) scheme of things, weren't the Eagles Maiar or their equivilant? (sorry if I picked the wrong name). So I suppose they could give the Fell Beasts a good fight......

Feanor of the Peredhil · 11-17-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lindolirian

in the event of the lack of technological ability, I would suggest biological warfare.

Even if Gondor had a more appropriate arsenal for trying to take these blighters out, I would still incorporate biological warfare. The trick is to find out what's going to do the most damage to the immune system and sneak it into your enemy, whether by food or whatever. If your enemy can't move, you don't have to worry about shooting him out of the sky.

ManofDale · 12-13-2005, 12:07 PM

Interesting thread! Yes ballistas would be the ultimate defense against a Fell Beast and a whole regiment of Archers but you forget that any military organization would be futile because of the Nazgul's presence and the scream of the Fell Beast. Thus for any attempt to be made on these air attackers, one of such prowess would have to lead the soldiers into holding their positions like Gandalf did at the battle of Minas Tirith.

Farael · 12-13-2005, 06:28 PM

A little problem with war machinery like ballestae and catapults is that they weren't very easy to aim. The only way to hit the spot you wanted with a catapult was to shoot repeatedly until you hit the mark. Also, you would usually be aiming at a big, tall wall rather than at a comparatively small fell beast. Ballistae I'm not sure but I would guess they were not aimed at all (besides towards the marching lines of the enemy) after all, with one ballista shoot you can probably take down a bunch of people at once. Even if ballistae were "aimable" it would not be an easy process as the fell beasts would be moving around. Archers would be the best choice yet it is said they stayed out bow range.

Biological warfare is a tricky subject, as orcs and humans probably have VERY different immune sistems and I don't know who (outside of Mordor) knew enough about orcs to know what would make them sick. Furthermore, it is possible that whatever makes an orc sick would outright kill a human. And then, how do you deliver your pathogen? say, rotten food... will you invite them for dinner?

Poisoning a river could be, but you would need an awful lot of poison, assuming it works on orcs...

My solution? take the bus into Mordor, get off at Mt. Doom station and destroy one or two "The Ring"'s

Oh, that's not how it happens?

then I would guess just try to hold them back with fire and Gandalf, and pray for the best... after all, it is likely that they do not have many fell beasts so even if you loose a few soldiers for each of those you kill, it might just be worth it.

Lindolirian · 12-13-2005, 10:33 PM

A Fell Beast could be a tricky target for a large ballista, but as Legolas proved over the Anduin, they aren't invincible. But of course I doubt that Fell Beast was as wary for flying arrows as one would be in a large scale battle and Legolas's hit may well have been a fluke. To insure a good hit you must attract the targets to something they would go for anyway... like a King of Rohan. Make sure every top general or leader has a poisoned dart he could shoot the Fell Beast with... and a fast horse to get away. Of course it's not as if in doing this we're endangering the most important men on the battlefield because the Nazgul would go for them anyway. Why not equip them to protect themselves and countless others.

Now as for discovering what ails the Fell Beasts? Ummm. Ask them? I'll get back to you on that one.

Eowyn Skywalker · 12-31-2005, 07:30 PM

The best (logical) way to do in a fell beast would be some form of ranged weapon. Of course, lacking lasers or other such weapontry that could easily make things go in a completely differing direction, the logical idea would be as previously mentioned either arrows or a catapult.

One can assume that the Nazgul and fell beasts were smart enough to stay out of range of these.

I would recommand finding either some other way to fly, or getting Gandalf to summon up a windstorm of some sort. If he could. Getting a fell beast caught in a tornado might help get them out of midair. If not, air to air attacks (unfortunately the Gondorians lack x-wings) or the good ol' beheading might work. Not as showy as most movies require, but effective.

02-11-2005, 07:50 PM	#1
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	This would do nicely. However in the event of the lack of technological ability, I would suggest biological warfare. Naturally, the nasty creatures are like carrion-fowl, so all one needs to do is spread some rotten, disease-ridden meat out on an old battlefield and wait for the suckers to take a lunch break. After ingesting the disease, they opt to use their sick days while your army moves in and kills 'em while they're down and out. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

02-11-2005, 09:36 PM	#3
Neurion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Standing amidst the slaughter I have wreaked upon the orcs Posts: 258	You're worries are over I hereby present to my esteemed allies of Gondor the weapon that will change your fortunes in this war! Mumak, Troll, Fell Beast, nought can stand against the Gondor Avenger!! Gondor Avenger __________________ ____________________________________ "And a cold voice rang forth from the blade. Yea, I will drink thy blood, that I may forget the blood of Beleg my master, and of Brandir slain unjustly. I will slay thee swiftly."

12-13-2005, 12:07 PM	#9
ManofDale Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In the streets of Dale in Wilderland. Posts: 11	Interesting thread! Yes ballistas would be the ultimate defense against a Fell Beast and a whole regiment of Archers but you forget that any military organization would be futile because of the Nazgul's presence and the scream of the Fell Beast. Thus for any attempt to be made on these air attackers, one of such prowess would have to lead the soldiers into holding their positions like Gandalf did at the battle of Minas Tirith. __________________ Dale.. Tall and mighty we once stood, Like the Gondor Kings of Old, Yet in the distance a wind blew, From the dreaded North, A flaming shadow blanketed us, We were reduced to ruin, Like a bare skeleton of stone.

12-13-2005, 10:33 PM	#11
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Delivering the Pathogen? A Fell Beast could be a tricky target for a large ballista, but as Legolas proved over the Anduin, they aren't invincible. But of course I doubt that Fell Beast was as wary for flying arrows as one would be in a large scale battle and Legolas's hit may well have been a fluke. To insure a good hit you must attract the targets to something they would go for anyway... like a King of Rohan. Make sure every top general or leader has a poisoned dart he could shoot the Fell Beast with... and a fast horse to get away. Of course it's not as if in doing this we're endangering the most important men on the battlefield because the Nazgul would go for them anyway. Why not equip them to protect themselves and countless others. Now as for discovering what ails the Fell Beasts? Ummm. Ask them? I'll get back to you on that one. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

12-31-2005, 07:30 PM	#12
Eowyn Skywalker Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Somewhere far, far away. Eh. Posts: 402	The best (logical) way to do in a fell beast would be some form of ranged weapon. Of course, lacking lasers or other such weapontry that could easily make things go in a completely differing direction, the logical idea would be as previously mentioned either arrows or a catapult. One can assume that the Nazgul and fell beasts were smart enough to stay out of range of these. I would recommand finding either some other way to fly, or getting Gandalf to summon up a windstorm of some sort. If he could. Getting a fell beast caught in a tornado might help get them out of midair. If not, air to air attacks (unfortunately the Gondorians lack x-wings) or the good ol' beheading might work. Not as showy as most movies require, but effective. __________________ Sometimes worlds collide. This time, they got their own webpage. Join Middle-earth: Insanity forums today.

02-13-2005, 10:52 AM	#5
Essex Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 886	did we see any eagle actually defeat a fell beast? they all shot to mount doom once they got the call from sauron.

02-13-2005, 11:19 AM	#6
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	True, but they were giving them hell before that.

02-13-2005, 01:18 PM	#7
Essex Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 886	In the 'real' (i.e. book) scheme of things, weren't the Eagles Maiar or their equivilant? (sorry if I picked the wrong name). So I suppose they could give the Fell Beasts a good fight......

12-13-2005, 06:28 PM	#10
Farael Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In hospitals, call rooms and (rarely) my apartment. Posts: 1,538	A little problem with war machinery like ballestae and catapults is that they weren't very easy to aim. The only way to hit the spot you wanted with a catapult was to shoot repeatedly until you hit the mark. Also, you would usually be aiming at a big, tall wall rather than at a comparatively small fell beast. Ballistae I'm not sure but I would guess they were not aimed at all (besides towards the marching lines of the enemy) after all, with one ballista shoot you can probably take down a bunch of people at once. Even if ballistae were "aimable" it would not be an easy process as the fell beasts would be moving around. Archers would be the best choice yet it is said they stayed out bow range. Biological warfare is a tricky subject, as orcs and humans probably have VERY different immune sistems and I don't know who (outside of Mordor) knew enough about orcs to know what would make them sick. Furthermore, it is possible that whatever makes an orc sick would outright kill a human. And then, how do you deliver your pathogen? say, rotten food... will you invite them for dinner? Poisoning a river could be, but you would need an awful lot of poison, assuming it works on orcs... My solution? take the bus into Mordor, get off at Mt. Doom station and destroy one or two "The Ring"'s Oh, that's not how it happens? then I would guess just try to hold them back with fire and Gandalf, and pray for the best... after all, it is likely that they do not have many fell beasts so even if you loose a few soldiers for each of those you kill, it might just be worth it.