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Finwe-89 · 02-04-2005, 05:57 AM

Yes, I agree with you Boromir88, but I'm talking about the Faramir in the movies. He was acting stupid in the movies. Denethor did love him but didn't show it ( I forgot to say that in my older post). So Faramir most have thought that his father didn't love him. And there is the stupid part! If you think your father doesn't love you, then leave him. Don't go and try to be like some one else ( Boromir ). Faramir risked his own life to get his father respect and love, now that's stupid.

Lalaith · 02-04-2005, 06:04 AM

The problem I think lies in the change in Denethor between the book and the film.
Book Denethor, if you remember, is very like Faramir in personality "the blood of Westernesse runs almost pure in their veins." In Boromir it does not. So Faramir has a close affinity with his pa, despite the latter's preference for the robust man of action Boromir.
The Denethor of the film did not have any of the decayed nobility of the book character, which I agree does make Faramir's devotion rather odd. Furthermore, in the EE of the film, they saw fit to have Gandalf say that Denethor was like Boromir and unlike Faramir, in direct contradiction to what Tolkien said in the book. Way to go, PJ...

ohtatyaro · 02-04-2005, 06:14 AM

Several things, but most of all, probably, hyenas. I mean, wargs are wolves, just fell and clever, but not hyenas.

Some other things too. Aragorn scared to fight. Or scared is a too strong a word. Hesitant. that's it.

Gollum setting up Sam, also. I mean, Frodo believing Sam was a traitor, not Gollum trying to set him up.

Denethor chewing cherries, while there is a battle outside. I loathe that scene. It makes Denethor horrible, and in the books I liked him and was sorry when he died.

Merry and Pippin taken on a trip accidentally, just becuase they happened to be stealing maggots carrots and stumbled upon Frodo. If I haven't read about how they were friends with Frodo in the book, I would be thinkig something like 'what did these two asked for trouble for?' Who asked them to come at all? And then, in elrond's place, they are all eager to come. Ah, another scene - when they run into the secret council.

But on the whole, I liked the movies

Finwe-89 · 02-04-2005, 06:18 AM

In every movies there are annoying things, so I think that this topic is useless on the other hand. Cause this will be a disscussion that will never end ( not that I don't like it )

02-04-2005, 05:57 AM	#1
Finwe-89 Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In Lotholorien, looking in the mirror that shows that there is still hope for life... Posts: 84	Yes, I agree with you Boromir88, but I'm talking about the Faramir in the movies. He was acting stupid in the movies. Denethor did love him but didn't show it ( I forgot to say that in my older post). So Faramir most have thought that his father didn't love him. And there is the stupid part! If you think your father doesn't love you, then leave him. Don't go and try to be like some one else ( Boromir ). Faramir risked his own life to get his father respect and love, now that's stupid. __________________ Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum- ishi krimpatul... Beware: Don't speak this loud when you're alone in the dark... Unless you really want it... But don't say I didn't warn you...

02-04-2005, 06:14 AM	#3
ohtatyaro Wight Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: here, there, everywhere... Posts: 121	'tis about the movies, right? Several things, but most of all, probably, hyenas. I mean, wargs are wolves, just fell and clever, but not hyenas. Some other things too. Aragorn scared to fight. Or scared is a too strong a word. Hesitant. that's it. Gollum setting up Sam, also. I mean, Frodo believing Sam was a traitor, not Gollum trying to set him up. Denethor chewing cherries, while there is a battle outside. I loathe that scene. It makes Denethor horrible, and in the books I liked him and was sorry when he died. Merry and Pippin taken on a trip accidentally, just becuase they happened to be stealing maggots carrots and stumbled upon Frodo. If I haven't read about how they were friends with Frodo in the book, I would be thinkig something like 'what did these two asked for trouble for?' Who asked them to come at all? And then, in elrond's place, they are all eager to come. Ah, another scene - when they run into the secret council. But on the whole, I liked the movies __________________ Reading this sig costs three Galleons, nine Sickles, and a Knut. Pay up!

02-04-2005, 06:18 AM	#4
Finwe-89 Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In Lotholorien, looking in the mirror that shows that there is still hope for life... Posts: 84	In every movies there are annoying things, so I think that this topic is useless on the other hand. Cause this will be a disscussion that will never end ( not that I don't like it ) __________________ Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum- ishi krimpatul... Beware: Don't speak this loud when you're alone in the dark... Unless you really want it... But don't say I didn't warn you...

02-04-2005, 06:04 AM	#2
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	The problem I think lies in the change in Denethor between the book and the film. Book Denethor, if you remember, is very like Faramir in personality "the blood of Westernesse runs almost pure in their veins." In Boromir it does not. So Faramir has a close affinity with his pa, despite the latter's preference for the robust man of action Boromir. The Denethor of the film did not have any of the decayed nobility of the book character, which I agree does make Faramir's devotion rather odd. Furthermore, in the EE of the film, they saw fit to have Gandalf say that Denethor was like Boromir and unlike Faramir, in direct contradiction to what Tolkien said in the book. Way to go, PJ...