None that can hurt him? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Oddwen · 02-01-2005, 08:42 PM

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For a brief time I was sent back, until my task was done.

Is this just referring to the fact that he left for Valinor in the end? Or that he didn't know if Frodo would succeed, and assumed that he (Gandalf) and the rest might die before the Black Gate? (Forgive me, I can't remember exactly where that quote came from. The location of it probably explains it...

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none of you have any weapon that could hurt me.

"None of you" - Axe, bow, and sword. No physical weapon can hurt him? What about something more violent, like Saruman's blasting fire? Or poison? Something from within, rather than from without?

That may explain why Pippin was able to sneak the Palantir, because Gandalf held him dear.

So...was Gandalf suceptible to treachery? Throw Denethor's madness into the mix and there's a whole new way to look at things...

Lolidir · 02-01-2005, 09:11 PM

i was doing a bit of thinking and came to the conclusion that maybe we are over thinking things. if you sneak up on someone and know that they will try to strike at you, who would be more prepared? you, who knows what they are going to do, or them, who only know what they will do? we all saw how Gimli's axe was thrown a conciderable distance when thrown at Gandalf, and we saw how he deflected the arrow. it is only logical that Aragorn would attack with his sword, and couldnt Gandalf throw it away as he did the axe? so maybe they didnt have anything that could hurt him beacause he knew how to counter them.

Neithan · 02-01-2005, 10:02 PM

I stand corrected! Thank you Saucepan Man for that quote, I really must get the Letters. That question at least is settled. And I guess your analysis of what Ganalf meant is the best so far but it still doesn't seem quite right to me.

Lolidir · 02-01-2005, 10:22 PM

Saucepan Man, i must say that after rereading and having clearer thought than last time i looked at this that the notes make sence. i dont know whether to do this here or not but for me and the rest of us out here wanting the notes, could you possibly enlighten us as to where we can get them. like are they in a book entitled something like Tolkien's notes or something else?

02-01-2005, 09:11 PM	#2
Lolidir Wight Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Roaming the plains of Middle Earth Posts: 103	i was doing a bit of thinking and came to the conclusion that maybe we are over thinking things. if you sneak up on someone and know that they will try to strike at you, who would be more prepared? you, who knows what they are going to do, or them, who only know what they will do? we all saw how Gimli's axe was thrown a conciderable distance when thrown at Gandalf, and we saw how he deflected the arrow. it is only logical that Aragorn would attack with his sword, and couldnt Gandalf throw it away as he did the axe? so maybe they didnt have anything that could hurt him beacause he knew how to counter them. __________________ "Its a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step into the Road, and if you don't keep your feet, there is no knowing where you might be swept off to"

02-01-2005, 10:02 PM	#3
Neithan Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 126	I stand corrected! Thank you Saucepan Man for that quote, I really must get the Letters. That question at least is settled. And I guess your analysis of what Ganalf meant is the best so far but it still doesn't seem quite right to me. __________________ If you would convince a man that he does wrong, do right. Men will believe what they see.~Henry David Thoreau

02-01-2005, 10:22 PM	#4
Lolidir Wight Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Roaming the plains of Middle Earth Posts: 103	Saucepan Man, i must say that after rereading and having clearer thought than last time i looked at this that the notes make sence. i dont know whether to do this here or not but for me and the rest of us out here wanting the notes, could you possibly enlighten us as to where we can get them. like are they in a book entitled something like Tolkien's notes or something else? __________________ "Its a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step into the Road, and if you don't keep your feet, there is no knowing where you might be swept off to"