Saruman's ending (PJ's way) P.S. Spoilers! - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nuindacilien · 10-31-2004, 03:41 PM

Sounds interesting.

I also heard that PJ will be making an appearance as one of the Men from the black ships (I can't recall their name at the moment

). That should be funny. And he also gets killed by Legolas, I think.

That would be a bit funny, though, to see him in the movie.

~Nuindacilien

Boromir88 · 10-31-2004, 03:47 PM

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Sounds interesting. I also heard that PJ will be making an appearance as one of the Men from the black ships (I can't recall their name at the moment ). That should be funny. And he also gets killed by Legolas, I think. That would be a bit funny, though, to see him in the movie.

Nuin, yes PJ does make cameo appearances in the LOTR movies. In FOTR he was the man chomping on the carrot in Bree, TTT, one of the soldiers from Rohan throwing rocks. In fact, in you do get to see him in the original ROTK as a cameo, he was the corsair I haven't heard that he will get killed by Legolas, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

Essex · 11-01-2004, 04:32 AM

listening to the directors' commentary on the two towers dvd, I believe pj mentions that they had to nick a bit of saruman on the balcony from the voice of sarumans scenes, to use in the bit where we see isengard flooded, as pj didn't realise he would have a flooding scene, and it was too late to use christopher lee in pickups.

In other words, I think saruman will be on the balcony.

PS on a tangent regarding the commentary, isn't Phillipa Boyens a bitter woman in the controversy she has helped cause with the changes to TT? At least Fran Walsh admits they've made some drastic changes that tolkienists won't like, but PB keeps going on about how they were neccesarry. especially in the helms deep scene where we see eomer instead of erkenbrand. she was insinuating that that change was worse than the faramir changes but no one really moaned about it!

Hillarious!

Boromir88 · 11-01-2004, 09:30 AM

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especially in the helms deep scene where we see eomer instead of erkenbrand. she was insinuating that that change was worse than the faramir changes but no one really moaned about it! Hillarious!

Essex, that is rather funny. I wasn't bothered by them putting in Eomer, instead of Erkenbrand. I think people would be confused, who and where this Erkenbrand came from. It's just a great climatic set up, when the expelled Eomer, riding away, happens to come in the nick-of-time to save the day. It does take away from Eomer's fighting that he did at Helm's Deep, with Gimli, but I feel it was a nice set up. It just happens to be the "thrown out" nephew of Theoden who comes to save the day. That didn't bother me at all, I was bothered by the change in Faramir, and don't see how it was necessary to take the ring to Osgiliath, but I can still live with it

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Nuindacilien · 11-01-2004, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

Nuin, yes PJ does make cameo appearances in the LOTR movies. In FOTR he was the man chomping on the carrot in Bree, TTT, one of the soldiers from Rohan throwing rocks. In fact, in you do get to see him in the original ROTK as a cameo, he was the corsair I haven't heard that he will get killed by Legolas, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

Well, I guess I need to pay more attention! I never noticed him in there. Thanks for telling me, though. I'll be sure to look for him!

The changes that were made didn't really bother me that much. What upset me the most was the changes in FOTR. I actually saw the movie before I read the books, and when I finished reading FOTR, I was surprised that Boromir had already been killed, and that Merry and Pippin were taken away. It doesn't bother me now, but I was just surprised when I first finished the book.

~Nuindacilien

The Only Real Estel · 11-01-2004, 09:47 PM

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on a PJ moment, Aragorn comes and decapitates Gothmog

Don't know whether it's been mentioned already or not, but it seems as if Aragorn kills the Mouth of Sauron as well. I'm not liking that idea, so I'm still hoping there will be no such thing...

Elmo · 03-14-2007, 01:48 PM

I was quite sickened by Legolas' murder of Grima. It just seemed so cold blooded. Was Grima much of a threat at the time to them, I don't know but something about it made me slightly uncomfortable.

Elfchick7 · 04-03-2007, 09:17 PM

I actually felt that Saruman's end was a little too gruesome. Then again, that is just PJ's style. Oddly, I don't recall Grima's death at all. I guess it's time to pull out the good ol' extended edition. Yay! *does a happy jig*

TheGreatElvenWarrior · 08-05-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Only Real Estel

Don't know whether it's been mentioned already or not, but it seems as if Aragorn kills the Mouth of Sauron as well. I'm not liking that idea, so I'm still hoping there will be no such thing...

Yes he does. He cuts off his head.

10-31-2004, 03:41 PM	#1
Nuindacilien Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 12	Kind-of spoiler.... Sounds interesting. I also heard that PJ will be making an appearance as one of the Men from the black ships (I can't recall their name at the moment ). That should be funny. And he also gets killed by Legolas, I think. That would be a bit funny, though, to see him in the movie. ~Nuindacilien __________________ I have nothing profound to say here, so I'll just ramble on for a bit.....

03-14-2007, 01:48 PM	#7
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	I was quite sickened by Legolas' murder of Grima. It just seemed so cold blooded. Was Grima much of a threat at the time to them, I don't know but something about it made me slightly uncomfortable. __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering. Last edited by hewhoarisesinmight; 03-14-2007 at 01:55 PM.

04-03-2007, 09:17 PM	#8
Elfchick7 Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In the Greenwood Posts: 201	I actually felt that Saruman's end was a little too gruesome. Then again, that is just PJ's style. Oddly, I don't recall Grima's death at all. I guess it's time to pull out the good ol' extended edition. Yay! does a happy jig __________________ "Yesterday is history. Tommorow is a mystery. Today is a gift from God. That's why it's called the PRESENT!"

11-01-2004, 04:32 AM	#3
Essex Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 886	listening to the directors' commentary on the two towers dvd, I believe pj mentions that they had to nick a bit of saruman on the balcony from the voice of sarumans scenes, to use in the bit where we see isengard flooded, as pj didn't realise he would have a flooding scene, and it was too late to use christopher lee in pickups. In other words, I think saruman will be on the balcony. PS on a tangent regarding the commentary, isn't Phillipa Boyens a bitter woman in the controversy she has helped cause with the changes to TT? At least Fran Walsh admits they've made some drastic changes that tolkienists won't like, but PB keeps going on about how they were neccesarry. especially in the helms deep scene where we see eomer instead of erkenbrand. she was insinuating that that change was worse than the faramir changes but no one really moaned about it! Hillarious!