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Voralphion · 10-11-2004, 09:22 PM

One version of the making of Ea in Unfinished Tales says that Melkor's original corruption was due to his love of and want to control light. This is one reason why he hated Varda, as she was given light by Eru. Melkor originally appeared shining light and it was only after his fall that he was turned to darkness (anti-light). He still had desire for the light, and in the Silmarils was a form of the uncorrupted primevil light that he had desired. By taking the Silmarils he was able to keep for himself and control the light that he had always wanted but couldn't have.

Imladris · 10-14-2004, 07:18 PM

I like what you guys are saying (especially Davem) but I don't think we are going back far enough.

I was in my Modern Mythology class today and we sort of touched on this subject. Melkor, since the beginning of time, has wanted to possess the Flame Imperishable so that he could create, and become Illuvitar. He even tried his own pidley attempt at creating his own theme.

The Silmarils represent the Flame Imperishable because everything that was created comes from the Flame -- it is the Flame that gives life. So, the Silmarils are a "cheap" imitation of that.

Yet the Flame is pure, and Melkor cannot touch even an imitation of that Flame without being burned (makes you wonder what would happen if he got is hands on the real Flame). However, I'm thinking that he hates it because it is of Illuvitar, yet he wants it, lusts after it because he wants to create.

10-11-2004, 09:22 PM	#1
Voralphion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sharkey's End Posts: 267	One version of the making of Ea in Unfinished Tales says that Melkor's original corruption was due to his love of and want to control light. This is one reason why he hated Varda, as she was given light by Eru. Melkor originally appeared shining light and it was only after his fall that he was turned to darkness (anti-light). He still had desire for the light, and in the Silmarils was a form of the uncorrupted primevil light that he had desired. By taking the Silmarils he was able to keep for himself and control the light that he had always wanted but couldn't have. __________________ His sword was long his lance was keen His shining helm afar was seen The countless stars of heavens field Were mirrored in his silver shield

10-14-2004, 07:18 PM	#2
Imladris Tears of the Phoenix Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Putting dimes in the jukebox baby. Posts: 1,453	I like what you guys are saying (especially Davem) but I don't think we are going back far enough. I was in my Modern Mythology class today and we sort of touched on this subject. Melkor, since the beginning of time, has wanted to possess the Flame Imperishable so that he could create, and become Illuvitar. He even tried his own pidley attempt at creating his own theme. The Silmarils represent the Flame Imperishable because everything that was created comes from the Flame -- it is the Flame that gives life. So, the Silmarils are a "cheap" imitation of that. Yet the Flame is pure, and Melkor cannot touch even an imitation of that Flame without being burned (makes you wonder what would happen if he got is hands on the real Flame). However, I'm thinking that he hates it because it is of Illuvitar, yet he wants it, lusts after it because he wants to create. __________________ I'm sorry it wasn't a unicorn. It would have been nice to have unicorns. I'm your huckleberry.