The Return of the Flashback - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Encaitare · 10-08-2004, 08:55 PM

I thought that nearly all of the flashbacks were excellent. The Aragorn/Arwen ones are fine so long as you don't think about them too much

and I loved the flashback telling how Smeagol became Gollum.

I think it was necessary to include flashbacks, simply because of the depth of the story. It would not have made sense to have people explaining things to no end when they can be seen in a tidy little flashback scene.

The Only Real Estel · 10-09-2004, 03:13 PM

I had liked nearly all of the flashbacks & thought the Boromir/Faramir flashbacks in the TTT EE were great.

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Keep some of the flashbacks in there, but also eliminate some, it's like they are telepathically cybering with eachother

That leads me to two points. I wasn't a huge fan of all the Aragorn/Arwen flashbacks, but they weren't to bad.
The one flashback I really didn't like very well was the 'telepathically cybering' one between Galadriel & Elrond. I didn't mind the Elves being at Helm's Deep, & I understood the logic between Galadriel & Elrond's conversation, but I think PJ went a little to far with the telepathic idea. A lot of people I know are confused by the scene & they're always asking me if 'those two' can always talk to eachother like that, etc. I just don't think it was done very well.

By the way, I also liked the one 'flashforward' that I can remember, when Elrond was talking to Arwen about Aragorn & they flash ahead to a dead Aragorn & Arwen walking through the trees. That's one of my favorite parts, for some reason.

Boromir88 · 10-09-2004, 04:01 PM

Estel, another good "flashforward" was when Arwen saw Aragorn holding their kid Eldarion. I liked it, however, I must say little Eldarion gives me the creeps.

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mark12_30 · 10-09-2004, 04:54 PM

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it's like they are telepathically cybering with eachother

It's called Osanwe. Arwen was good at it:

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Arwen remained in Rivendell, and when Aragorn was abroad, from afar she watched over him in thought

Galadriel was also particularly good at it:

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I say to you, Frodo, that even as I speak to you, I perceive the Dark Lord and know his mind, or all of his mind that concerns the Elves. And he gropes ever to see me and my thought. But still the door is closed!

and Elrond was no slouch either.

I had no problems whatsoever with the osanwe-chat between Galadriel and Elrond. Too bad they couldn't simply have talked about the wars in Dale, Mirkwood, and Lorien, flashing over to them, rather than sending poor Haldir to his misplaced doom at Helm's Deep.

Tuor of Gondolin · 10-09-2004, 07:42 PM

I thought PJ's flashbacks at the beginning of all three films (especially the
extended dvd for FOTR, were brilliant, especially for nonbook people. And while
as a general rule his added bits/alterations tend to be the weakest parts of the
films, the Boromir/Faramir flashback was excellent, only marred by yet another
example of his foolishness in his portrait of Denethor.

Boromir88 · 10-09-2004, 07:45 PM

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the Boromir/Faramir flashback was excellent, only marred by yet another
example of his foolishness in his portrait of Denethor.

Tuor, the scene was so good I completely forgot about again the bad image of Denethor, until now, lol. But, still a good sequence.

Tuor of Gondolin · 10-09-2004, 07:46 PM

I thought PJ's flashbacks at the beginning of all three films (especially the
extended dvd for FOTR, were brilliant, especially for nonbook people, and
ironically were almost cut). And while as a general rule his added bits/alterations
tend to be the weakest parts of the films, the Boromir/Faramir flashback was
excellent, only marred by yet another example of his foolishness in his portrait of
Denethor. I've finally got what PJ's Denethor reminds me of (Shakespeare's
Richard III).

Sorry about this post. it was supposed to be edited from an above one.

Noxomanus · 10-10-2004, 02:06 AM

I liked all flashbacks (except the Arwen/Aragorn telepathy, wich was a waste of valuable time for me) but my favorite is probably in FotR when Gandalf thinks of his escape from Orthanc and then with visible pain answers Frodo: 'I was delayed.'

Neferchoirwen · 10-10-2004, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Noxomanus

'I was delayed.'

Plain and simple. His soft, apologetic smile in that scene is priceless.

10-09-2004, 07:42 PM	#5
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	I thought PJ's flashbacks at the beginning of all three films (especially the extended dvd for FOTR, were brilliant, especially for nonbook people. And while as a general rule his added bits/alterations tend to be the weakest parts of the films, the Boromir/Faramir flashback was excellent, only marred by yet another example of his foolishness in his portrait of Denethor. __________________ Aure Entuluva!

10-09-2004, 07:46 PM	#7
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	I thought PJ's flashbacks at the beginning of all three films (especially the extended dvd for FOTR, were brilliant, especially for nonbook people, and ironically were almost cut). And while as a general rule his added bits/alterations tend to be the weakest parts of the films, the Boromir/Faramir flashback was excellent, only marred by yet another example of his foolishness in his portrait of Denethor. I've finally got what PJ's Denethor reminds me of (Shakespeare's Richard III). Sorry about this post. it was supposed to be edited from an above one. __________________ Aure Entuluva! Last edited by Tuor of Gondolin; 10-09-2004 at 07:50 PM.

10-10-2004, 02:06 AM	#8
Noxomanus Wight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 233	I liked all flashbacks (except the Arwen/Aragorn telepathy, wich was a waste of valuable time for me) but my favorite is probably in FotR when Gandalf thinks of his escape from Orthanc and then with visible pain answers Frodo: 'I was delayed.' __________________ Nothing is evil in the beginning,even Sauron wasn't

10-08-2004, 08:55 PM	#1
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	I thought that nearly all of the flashbacks were excellent. The Aragorn/Arwen ones are fine so long as you don't think about them too much and I loved the flashback telling how Smeagol became Gollum. I think it was necessary to include flashbacks, simply because of the depth of the story. It would not have made sense to have people explaining things to no end when they can be seen in a tidy little flashback scene.

10-09-2004, 04:01 PM	#3
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Estel, another good "flashforward" was when Arwen saw Aragorn holding their kid Eldarion. I liked it, however, I must say little Eldarion gives me the creeps. .