The Power of Isengard - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 10-06-2004, 04:51 AM

Denethor or (in later years) Boromir would go to claim the Ring for themselves when the armies of Sauron and Saruman had been weakened. Gandalf, Elrond, etc. would realise this folly but would they be able to do anything about it?

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-06-2004, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Denethor or (in later years) Boromir would go to claim the Ring for themselves when the armies of Sauron and Saruman had been weakened. Gandalf, Elrond, etc. would realise this folly but would they be able to do anything about it?

Interesting point, but a big factor in Denethor's despair was what he saw (via the Palantir of Minas Tirith) as Sauron's swift and inevitable victory over Gondor. With the immediate threat removed and Sauron less devoted to influencing him, might Denethor's undeniable wisdom have caused him to listen to the counsels of the Wise? But then again, would he have been prepared to yield to Aragorn's claim to the throne? It seems unlikely ...

Zebedee · 10-06-2004, 07:29 PM

Sauron and Saruman would surely fight, but Sauruman most likely would wait for Sauron to attack Isengard. To reach Isengard, Sauron would have to fight through Gondor and Rohan, so Saruman would have a little more time. Perhaps Rohan would even have fought for him had Gandalf not freed Theoden from Wormtongue.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 10-07-2004, 06:21 AM

Good points Zebedee. To add to Saucepan man's comments, it does seem likely that Denethor would be a better leader of Gondor in this case. However, the Aragorn-situation would likely have had a similar effect on his decision-making (albeit not as spectacular an influence as the palantir did). It would not have led to any flaming suicidal leaps (

) from the Steward, but it would have poisoned his relationship with the Wise.

10-06-2004, 04:51 AM	#1
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Denethor or (in later years) Boromir would go to claim the Ring for themselves when the armies of Sauron and Saruman had been weakened. Gandalf, Elrond, etc. would realise this folly but would they be able to do anything about it? __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

10-06-2004, 07:29 PM	#3
Zebedee Haunting Spirit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 61	Sauron and Saruman would surely fight, but Sauruman most likely would wait for Sauron to attack Isengard. To reach Isengard, Sauron would have to fight through Gondor and Rohan, so Saruman would have a little more time. Perhaps Rohan would even have fought for him had Gandalf not freed Theoden from Wormtongue. __________________ If at first you don't succed, then skydiving isn't for you.

10-07-2004, 06:21 AM	#4
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Good points Zebedee. To add to Saucepan man's comments, it does seem likely that Denethor would be a better leader of Gondor in this case. However, the Aragorn-situation would likely have had a similar effect on his decision-making (albeit not as spectacular an influence as the palantir did). It would not have led to any flaming suicidal leaps ( ) from the Steward, but it would have poisoned his relationship with the Wise. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond