Did Bill Ferny die?

[Gothbogg the Ripper]

Wow, I've not been on this thread for a while, looks like it's doing well, although I'm kinda suprised about all this talk of vegitarian Wargs and whatnot.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well Mithalwen, I think it's quite possible that Frodo Baggins hated Wargs because they come across as really not all that nice in The Lord of the Rings. And he wrote the book. So I guess it's possible that the supposed 'assault' by the Wargs was misconstrued. But it's way off topic.

I have a new theory. Bill Ferny was the Mouth of Sauron. After the fall of Barad-dur, he perished (as was discussed on another thread quite recently). I dare any of you to dispute this. If you think about it closely you will see that it is hard to deny. They both had very similar hairstyles after all, as was noted by Aragorn King of Gondor in his little known book Bree: A Critical and Not Altogether Nice Review.

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Bill Ferny was the Mouth of Sauron.

Wasn't that Alatar? Or was it Pallando?

But you have very complicated theories. Mine's simple: Sam threw him a radioactive apple. That's why he said "Waste of a good apple." It's hard to create a radioactive apple, let me tell you. Bill probably died sometime during the early Fourth Age, as the chemical component of the apple has a fairly short half-life (whatever the apple is made of).

[Mithalwen]

Interesting link Nilpaurion ..

Eomer ... if Bill Ferny were the mouth of Sauron - why did not Aragorn, who had been more intimate with him than most denounce him? And who did Bill the Pony (whether ninja or not) kick in the Shire (possibly an euphemism for a tender area?)?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Aragon had a lot on his plate at that moment in time. It is also possible that it was not Bill Ferny working as a Ruffian, but rather an imposter, or at least a phantom. Because Tolkien did not write about it, no-one can denounce this theory as being ridiculous.

Think about it, Frodo was delusional near the end of his life, any other Hobbit would tell you that. His account of the Scouring of the Shire cannot be considered concrete evidence in the case.

As for use of the phrase The Shire, I am currently finding it hard to stop laughing.

[Mithalwen]

Glad to amuse Probably better not to extend the idea to "the Scouring of the Shire" - enough to make even a woman wince.... oh err oops

But I sense an agenda here..... would you suggest that the account of the Ringbearer is flawed overall - misrepresentation of Wargs, gross factual errors regarding the identity of fringe but not insignificant characters? This is obviously a more significant issue than I previously thought.

[Lachwen]

So Frodo was writing with an agenda? Hmm...hard to discredit. But what, exactly, was his agenda? Bill-Ferny-gate makes it obvious that it goes beyond merely smearing the noble Wargs.