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Wight
Join Date: Sep 2004
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Hey, welcome to the 'Downs, you'll be fine.
Anyways the Grey Company certainly would have added a considerable ammount of weight to the narrative and would therefore ![]()
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Laconic Loreman
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First off, trust me, as Gothbogg said you'll be fine, whatever complaints you have about the film, I will probably have 5 times that amount (of course I'm only assuming). But, point is, I don't get beat up too bad lol. Anyway on to the question.
Yes, I do feel they should have added Halbarad and Elrond's sons. Elrond's sons are the best orc fighters of this age, and would were key additions to Gondor's victory. As you already said with the Dunedain, it would add more of an explanation to Aragorn's "kingship." |
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles)
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I'm trying to recall if there is any mention of other rangers in the movies.
I would think a nonbook movie viewer would think he was "The Last of the Dunedain" to paraphrase an old movie. Presumably PJ cut them out to "simplify" things, but, since he had to have elvsees at Helm's Deep I can see no compelling reason for not including Halbarad, his band, and Arwen's banner. Parenthetically, one of PJ's errors at The Pelennor Fields was to not show the banner unfolded on the lead ship and Eomer's reaction. Another was to not have the charge begin in the dark and then have morning come. Quote:
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Tuor:
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"Let this be the hour where were draw swords together." <<<<great line. The misplacement of the Rohirrim charge let a whole bunch of things out of order. For instance, we don't see Eomer's command skills because Aragorn arrived hours after Theoden's death, and we miss all that "rallying" by Eomer. However, I am content with the charge as the sun is rising, it is a well placed time to add in the Rohirrim charge, eventhough I would have preferred it to be at night. Quote:
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Shade of Carn Dûm
Join Date: Jul 2003
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I think Halbarad, Ellahir and the Dunedain would've been a good addition to the film.
Rangers have been introduced: They've already had Butterbur say about Aragorn "He's one of them Rangers. Dangerous folk they are; wanderin' the wilds." It would emphasis Aragorn's king-ness. If they brought the flag (or Andúril), it would give Aragorn something to use to show Sauron he is the King, when he looks into the Palantír (if the Dunedain got there early enough). Here's how part of the scene could go, working in an ultra-cool line that was sadly left out of the movie: Someone names the group "Rangers" then Pippin or Merry asks "Rangers?! But Butterbur said they were dangerous?" Gandalf: "Dangerous! So am I, more dangerous than anyone you will meet unless you are taken alive before the throne of the Dark Lord himself..." Maybe PJ thought a little band of Dunedain would look (to those who haven't read the books) too much like the little band of Elves showing up at Helm's Deep. But then the huge mass of chlorine (as my Chemistry teacher thought it to be) wasn't much different was it? Personally, I like pretending that the elven smiths who reforge Narsil were Elladan and Elrohir, and Aragorn's standard bearer at Morannon was Halbarad (true, Halbarad died at Pelennor, but he was the standard bearer.) Why PJ didn't think of these loopholes, I don't know.
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Jul 2004
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Elianna: Very good about BB's comment. I must have subconsciously
recalled that comment (one of the kinds of nice bits which do recur in the movies). And isn't it noteworthy how much generally superior bits of LOTR book are to PJ's scripwriters additions/changes generally (although, of course, many are understandably needed. Also, it could have been a nice, brief emotional moment if Halbarad joined Aragorn at Helm's Deep and was killed at the P.F. or at the Black Gate protecting Aragorn from attack, with A. getting choked up over it. (Of course, "There's no crying in Middle-earth battles!") ![]() (Unless your uncle gets killed leading a cool charge, even if you then get to be king). Woo, hoo!
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I completely agree with you. I was terribbly put out when the Grey Company wasn`t put in, but I can see the problems it would add to filming. Peter Jackson would have to find actors (not to mention, pay them) to fill in the roles. So I understand why he didn`t. It would also add more length to the movie. I say the more the merrier, but others might not agree with it. It`s the same with The Scouring of the Shire.
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