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Meneltarmacil · 09-24-2004, 07:27 PM

The mental image of Legolas getting drunk was seriously funny.

OK, on to a few things. I've been a lot more lenient about LOTR than many of you on the forum, but when it comes to The Hobbit it's different. That story got me into the world of Middle Earth from the beginning. I'll likely be a lot more purist on this one. So anyway, I don't think an introduction involving Gandalf, Elrond, Galadriel etc. should be involved. There is only one way that The Hobbit can start: Bilbo saying "Good morning" to Gandalf and then looking like an idiot. The background can be handled quite easily in a few flashbacks during the party scene. I agree that during said flashbacks Smaug should not be revealed, except for fiery breath torching Dale, etc. It would be a lot better if the viewers only get hints about him until Bilbo's conversation with him.

Regarding the White Council, I really don't think including them would be a good idea. Much as it would fit in with the storyline, I don't think there would really be a good way to tie it together with the main story. And I think it would be good for the audience to have no clue what's happening to Gandalf until he reappears in Thranduil's and Bard's camp near the end. It would just be a great surprise.

Finally, Legolas. I think he could figure in the plot quite well, and not just as a background character. The Battle of the Five Armies would be a good place for him to do a few stunts (although he shouldn't take the spotlight from Bilbo, Gandalf, Thorin, Bard etc.) and he could easily deliver Thranduil's and Bard's "give us the treasure or we'll take it by force" message.

**The Saucepan Man** · 09-24-2004, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Menltarmacil

Regarding the White Council, I really don't think including them would be a good idea. Much as it would fit in with the storyline, I don't think there would really be a good way to tie it together with the main story. And I think it would be good for the audience to have no clue what's happening to Gandalf until he reappears in Thranduil's and Bard's camp near the end. It would just be a great surprise.

You know, despite what I said earlier, I do agree with you on this in some ways. Especially if (as seems likely) it's done as one film. My first introduction to Tolkien was via The Hobbit, and it would be nice to see it done as it was written. I can see it is a children's film, with much for adults to enjoy. Although that might lose a large part of the "teen" audience, it would bring in the family/younger children audience in a way that the LotR films weren't able. And it nicely disposes of the question of whether there is a need for a "love interest".

Assuming it's done as one film, and even if the White Counsel and the Necromancer aren't included, there would probably need to be cuts. Anyone have any views on what could be cut with the least damage to the story? Personally, I would rather none of it were cut but, if anything, I would (very) reluctantly have to concede Beorn.

Imladris · 09-24-2004, 08:19 PM

They should cut what wasn't necessary at Rivendell, have the dwarves stumble over one fire in Mirkwood, they probably should cut the dwarves' song

, and the lengthy dwarven introduction on Bilbo's porch.

I don't think it would be a good idea to cut Beorn. He's pretty important at the end. He was the one that beat the Goblins basically and saved Thorin.

**The Saucepan Man** · 09-24-2004, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Imladris

I don't think it would be a good idea to cut Beorn. He's pretty important at the end. He was the one that beat the Goblins basically and saved Thorin.

True, but the turn of the battle could be done with just the Eagles. I would hate to see Beorn cut, but I'm not sure that the matters you listed would be sufficient to narrow it down to the constraints of one film.

Gil-Galad · 09-24-2004, 09:52 PM

Doesn't have to be cut, they coul make it into a two part movie so theres little cutting...

Imladris · 09-24-2004, 10:19 PM

Wanting to make it into a two part movie and getting to do it is often difficult. PJ had to fight tooth and nail to get LotR into three movies. I doubt he'll be able to get The Hobbit into two movies.

Another example of studios refusing to make two movies out of one book is the Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire movie. *shakes head* If they (they as in movie people in general) wouldn't make that six hundred page book into a two part movie there is slim hope for the Hobbit, which, technically, doesn't have enough material for a two part movie anyway.

Gil-Galad · 09-24-2004, 10:20 PM

I thought Peter first wanted 3 movies, but then the company that was paying him said 2, then 1, but then New Line got the rights and said isn't there 3 books? so make 3 movies

Dûrbelethwen · 11-16-2005, 07:03 PM

He's name is Sadwyn Brophy. (I looked it up on the internet movie database.

Frodo Baggins · 11-16-2005, 05:57 PM

Hey if Young Aragorn should make a cameo appearence at Rivendell they could use that really cute kid (what's his name) that played Eldarion in ROTK for the part!!

Bergil · 11-16-2005, 07:18 PM

firstly, I like lhe idea of cameos and "Asterixian" jokes, referring to Lord of the Rings. Maybe, after a scene in Rivendell, Aragorn/Estel could ask Elrond what's going on an Elrond could say "another of Gandalf's plans. trusting a hobbit to do something this important?" or Thranduil could advise his son that "that's how dwarves are, you have to drag everything out of them"

my other Idea is how to start the film. we could have Thorin and Gandalf discussing retaking the mountain and deciding on burglury. the scene ends in Thorin saying "then find me a burgler for the ages. Someone who can make no noise, steal your beard before you notice, and dissapear into the shadows" then quickly cut to Bilbo lounging on a chair, then hear a knock, lose his balance, and crash to the floor then noisily make his way to the door.

what do you think?

09-24-2004, 07:27 PM	#1
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,254	The mental image of Legolas getting drunk was seriously funny. OK, on to a few things. I've been a lot more lenient about LOTR than many of you on the forum, but when it comes to The Hobbit it's different. That story got me into the world of Middle Earth from the beginning. I'll likely be a lot more purist on this one. So anyway, I don't think an introduction involving Gandalf, Elrond, Galadriel etc. should be involved. There is only one way that The Hobbit can start: Bilbo saying "Good morning" to Gandalf and then looking like an idiot. The background can be handled quite easily in a few flashbacks during the party scene. I agree that during said flashbacks Smaug should not be revealed, except for fiery breath torching Dale, etc. It would be a lot better if the viewers only get hints about him until Bilbo's conversation with him. Regarding the White Council, I really don't think including them would be a good idea. Much as it would fit in with the storyline, I don't think there would really be a good way to tie it together with the main story. And I think it would be good for the audience to have no clue what's happening to Gandalf until he reappears in Thranduil's and Bard's camp near the end. It would just be a great surprise. Finally, Legolas. I think he could figure in the plot quite well, and not just as a background character. The Battle of the Five Armies would be a good place for him to do a few stunts (although he shouldn't take the spotlight from Bilbo, Gandalf, Thorin, Bard etc.) and he could easily deliver Thranduil's and Bard's "give us the treasure or we'll take it by force" message. __________________ I ♣ baby seals. Last edited by Meneltarmacil; 09-24-2004 at 08:42 PM.

09-24-2004, 08:19 PM	#3
Imladris Tears of the Phoenix Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Putting dimes in the jukebox baby. Posts: 1,453	They should cut what wasn't necessary at Rivendell, have the dwarves stumble over one fire in Mirkwood, they probably should cut the dwarves' song , and the lengthy dwarven introduction on Bilbo's porch. I don't think it would be a good idea to cut Beorn. He's pretty important at the end. He was the one that beat the Goblins basically and saved Thorin. __________________ I'm sorry it wasn't a unicorn. It would have been nice to have unicorns. I'm your huckleberry.

09-24-2004, 09:52 PM	#5
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Doesn't have to be cut, they coul make it into a two part movie so theres little cutting... __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

09-24-2004, 10:19 PM	#6
Imladris Tears of the Phoenix Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Putting dimes in the jukebox baby. Posts: 1,453	Wanting to make it into a two part movie and getting to do it is often difficult. PJ had to fight tooth and nail to get LotR into three movies. I doubt he'll be able to get The Hobbit into two movies. Another example of studios refusing to make two movies out of one book is the Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire movie. shakes head If they (they as in movie people in general) wouldn't make that six hundred page book into a two part movie there is slim hope for the Hobbit, which, technically, doesn't have enough material for a two part movie anyway. __________________ I'm sorry it wasn't a unicorn. It would have been nice to have unicorns. I'm your huckleberry.

09-24-2004, 10:20 PM	#7
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	I thought Peter first wanted 3 movies, but then the company that was paying him said 2, then 1, but then New Line got the rights and said isn't there 3 books? so make 3 movies __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

11-16-2005, 07:03 PM	#8
Dûrbelethwen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 80	He's name is Sadwyn Brophy. (I looked it up on the internet movie database.

11-16-2005, 05:57 PM	#9
Frodo Baggins Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bag-End, Under-Hill, Hobbiton-across-the Water Posts: 606	Hey if Young Aragorn should make a cameo appearence at Rivendell they could use that really cute kid (what's his name) that played Eldarion in ROTK for the part!! __________________ "I'm your huckleberry....that's just my game."

11-16-2005, 07:18 PM	#10
Bergil Wight Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: the Lepetomaine Gambling Casino For The Insane Posts: 157	several ideas firstly, I like lhe idea of cameos and "Asterixian" jokes, referring to Lord of the Rings. Maybe, after a scene in Rivendell, Aragorn/Estel could ask Elrond what's going on an Elrond could say "another of Gandalf's plans. trusting a hobbit to do something this important?" or Thranduil could advise his son that "that's how dwarves are, you have to drag everything out of them" my other Idea is how to start the film. we could have Thorin and Gandalf discussing retaking the mountain and deciding on burglury. the scene ends in Thorin saying "then find me a burgler for the ages. Someone who can make no noise, steal your beard before you notice, and dissapear into the shadows" then quickly cut to Bilbo lounging on a chair, then hear a knock, lose his balance, and crash to the floor then noisily make his way to the door. what do you think? __________________ I support...something.