Why did Arwen go to find the hobbits? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Boromir88 · 09-13-2004, 05:11 PM

Mr. Jackson replaced Glorfindel, with Arwen, only to build up the "love" between her and Aragorn. As with most of the scenes with Arwen, I mean I'm pretty sure Arwen didn't telepathically cyber with Aragorn throughout the story, that was just a way for Mr. Jackson to incorporate the love between the two. In fact, a friend of mine has a really funn parody of this scene in the movie.

Unknown Voice: What's this a ranger caught off his guard?
Aragorn: Sounding a little womanly lately Glorf-(turns) Arwen? Where's Glorfindel? And why are you on his horse? Don't tell me you tied him up again and stole his horse?
Arwen: I learn from the best. (to explain that I will have to take you into another parody scene, but I might get reprimanded)

Dûrbelethwen · 09-13-2004, 06:11 PM

What I ment to say was in the book the elves that Frodo and company travled with while still in the shire eventually came to Rivendell and told Elrond about them and he sent out Glorfindal and others. Since that part was left out of the movie what made Arwen go out to look for them?

Son of Númenor · 09-13-2004, 07:11 PM

Elven instinct or a plot hole are the only explanations I can conjure up.

Morquesse · 09-13-2004, 07:14 PM

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Since that part was left out of the movie what made Arwen go out to look for them?

Aragorn!

**The Saucepan Man** · 09-13-2004, 08:40 PM

She was probably trying to escape that overbearing, domineering father of hers ...

Voralphion · 09-13-2004, 08:41 PM

Even if Elrond knew that the hobbits were coming despite not being told so, why would Arwen be sent. She was the daughter of Elrond, (the lady of Rivendell) so why would her safety be risked especially when the Nazgul were near when there would have been plenty of others better suited to finding them and going against the Nazgul, such as warriors like Glorfindel.

Kath · 09-14-2004, 12:34 PM

Yes but I guess Peter Jackson did sort of have to explain Arwen throughout the film to make sure that audiences unfamiliar with the book knew where she came from and why Aragorn won't love Eowyn.

Legolas · 09-17-2004, 09:23 AM

We presume that Arwen is looking for Frodo for the same reason that Glorfindel did. In the book, Glorfindel finds Frodo after he has been looking for 9 days - not the 2 that Arwen proclaims. He left on October 9 and found Frodo at dawn on October 18. That was (yet another) odd and pointless change.

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'Hail, and well met at last!' said the Elf-lord to Frodo. 'I was sent from Rivendell to look for you. We feared that you were in danger upon the road.'
'Then Gandalf has reached Rivendell?' cried Frodo joyfully.
'No. He had not when I departed; but that was nine days ago,' answered Glorfindel. 'Elrond received news that troubled him. Some of my kindred, journeying in your land beyond the Baranduin, learned that things were amiss, and sent messages as swiftly as they could. They said that the Nine were abroad, and that you were astray bearing a great burden without guidance, for Gandalf had not returned. There are few even in Rivendell that can ride openly against the Nine; but such as there were, Elrond sent out north, west, and south. It was thought that you might turn far aside to avoid pursuit, and become lost in the Wilderness.

This is another example of people who know the book making a movie without carefully considering the fact that everything should flow logically, even for those who haven't read the book. Glorfindel set out because of word from Gildor's group that Frodo met in the forest. In the movie of course, Gildor was never seen, thus botching the whole situation. Most viewers likely presumed that Arwen was just wondering why Aragorn hadn't made it home in time for supper. After all, she had Shake 'n' Bake, and Bilbo helped.

Way to go, Petey.

Encaitare · 09-17-2004, 01:54 PM

Ack! Plot holes make my head hurt!

I never even thought about that before... nice move, PJ. Would it have killed ya to put in Gildor?

09-13-2004, 05:11 PM	#1
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	All for love Mr. Jackson replaced Glorfindel, with Arwen, only to build up the "love" between her and Aragorn. As with most of the scenes with Arwen, I mean I'm pretty sure Arwen didn't telepathically cyber with Aragorn throughout the story, that was just a way for Mr. Jackson to incorporate the love between the two. In fact, a friend of mine has a really funn parody of this scene in the movie. Unknown Voice: What's this a ranger caught off his guard? Aragorn: Sounding a little womanly lately Glorf-(turns) Arwen? Where's Glorfindel? And why are you on his horse? Don't tell me you tied him up again and stole his horse? Arwen: I learn from the best. (to explain that I will have to take you into another parody scene, but I might get reprimanded)

09-13-2004, 08:40 PM	#5
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Defying Agent Elrond She was probably trying to escape that overbearing, domineering father of hers ... __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

09-13-2004, 08:41 PM	#6
Voralphion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sharkey's End Posts: 267	Even if Elrond knew that the hobbits were coming despite not being told so, why would Arwen be sent. She was the daughter of Elrond, (the lady of Rivendell) so why would her safety be risked especially when the Nazgul were near when there would have been plenty of others better suited to finding them and going against the Nazgul, such as warriors like Glorfindel. __________________ His sword was long his lance was keen His shining helm afar was seen The countless stars of heavens field Were mirrored in his silver shield

09-14-2004, 12:34 PM	#7
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Yes but I guess Peter Jackson did sort of have to explain Arwen throughout the film to make sure that audiences unfamiliar with the book knew where she came from and why Aragorn won't love Eowyn. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

09-13-2004, 06:11 PM	#2
Dûrbelethwen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 80	What I ment to say was in the book the elves that Frodo and company travled with while still in the shire eventually came to Rivendell and told Elrond about them and he sent out Glorfindal and others. Since that part was left out of the movie what made Arwen go out to look for them?

09-13-2004, 07:11 PM	#3
Son of Númenor A Shade of Westernesse Join Date: May 2004 Location: The last wave over Atalantë Posts: 515	Elven instinct or a plot hole are the only explanations I can conjure up.

09-17-2004, 01:54 PM	#9
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	Ack! Plot holes make my head hurt! I never even thought about that before... nice move, PJ. Would it have killed ya to put in Gildor?