Who do you feel sorry for? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Mad Baggins · 08-26-2004, 07:48 PM

I would probably say Grima as well. He had to have had a good heart at one point, but was corrupted. The woman he loved did not love him back; she loathed him. His master (Saruman) treated him cruelly with no respect whatsoever. He was offered a chance at a new life but was so intimidated by Saruman that he feared his wrath and therefore did not take the offer. At the end of the book he got his revenge by murdering Saruman, but even then he was not free because the hobbits shot him down with their arrows the minute he began running.

Encaitare · 08-26-2004, 08:51 PM

::shakes Mad Baggins' Hand::

I pity Grima also. He was offered two chances of a new life: the first by Gandalf, who said that if he wanted to leave Saruman then he should just do it, and then again by Frodo who offered him shelter for awhile. Unfortunately for him, he either refused or was denied these offers, and lost his life because of Saruman's intimidation.

Vanwatholiel · 08-28-2004, 04:40 PM

I would say Aragorn. Everybody talks about him being dirty and not taking baths and being afraid of water. I think that that is seriously wrong. Aragorn has neither the luxury or the time to take a bath. He does when he can, but noticing his occupation, as a Ranger of the North, soap isn't really readily available. So I just wanted to say that people really need to stop talking about Aragorn and his appearance in the movies. It is really not his fault. I'm not as serious as I sound. I'm a really fun loving person!!!!

Isowen · 08-29-2004, 08:08 AM

I have never in my entire life heard anything about how 'dirty' aragorn is. But now that I have.......I am mortally offended, I assure you that I shall not stand for this. Nobody cares if he takes a bath or not, 'cuz just look at all the neat stuff he did in lotr. Really, it would be dangerous to take a bath, as stupid as that sounds, because what if the fellowship were suddenly under attack and they needed their best defences...i.e Legolas, Gimli, Boromir and ARAGORN!!! Yet, they cannot have aragorn because he's too bothered about hygiene and he's in the stupid bath!
He would probably look less manly in a way aswell, like "Oh my god everyone, we must stop! I have mud splattered all up my leg!"
But that's beside the point, what I mean is....it really doesn't matter what anyone thinks of anyone......as long as Aragorn was happy to be dirty and smelly, not that you would think about taking a bath if you were in the Middle of nowhere, you could be attacked at anytime, and you were thinking always about enemies and such like.

08-26-2004, 07:48 PM	#1
Mad Baggins Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: A place where after thunder golden showers come falling like a rain of flowers. Posts: 371	I would probably say Grima as well. He had to have had a good heart at one point, but was corrupted. The woman he loved did not love him back; she loathed him. His master (Saruman) treated him cruelly with no respect whatsoever. He was offered a chance at a new life but was so intimidated by Saruman that he feared his wrath and therefore did not take the offer. At the end of the book he got his revenge by murdering Saruman, but even then he was not free because the hobbits shot him down with their arrows the minute he began running. __________________ I like buying snacks from a vending machine because food is better when it falls. Sometimes at the grocery, I'll drop a candy bar so that it will achieve its maximum flavor potential.

08-29-2004, 08:08 AM	#4
Isowen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The blackened depths Posts: 86	I have never in my entire life heard anything about how 'dirty' aragorn is. But now that I have.......I am mortally offended, I assure you that I shall not stand for this. Nobody cares if he takes a bath or not, 'cuz just look at all the neat stuff he did in lotr. Really, it would be dangerous to take a bath, as stupid as that sounds, because what if the fellowship were suddenly under attack and they needed their best defences...i.e Legolas, Gimli, Boromir and ARAGORN!!! Yet, they cannot have aragorn because he's too bothered about hygiene and he's in the stupid bath! He would probably look less manly in a way aswell, like "Oh my god everyone, we must stop! I have mud splattered all up my leg!" But that's beside the point, what I mean is....it really doesn't matter what anyone thinks of anyone......as long as Aragorn was happy to be dirty and smelly, not that you would think about taking a bath if you were in the Middle of nowhere, you could be attacked at anytime, and you were thinking always about enemies and such like. __________________ I hope Butterbur sends this promptly. A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber -room: Thing wanted always burried, If he forgets, I shall roast him.

08-26-2004, 08:51 PM	#2
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	::shakes Mad Baggins' Hand:: I pity Grima also. He was offered two chances of a new life: the first by Gandalf, who said that if he wanted to leave Saruman then he should just do it, and then again by Frodo who offered him shelter for awhile. Unfortunately for him, he either refused or was denied these offers, and lost his life because of Saruman's intimidation.

08-28-2004, 04:40 PM	#3
Vanwatholiel Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: In a dark corner of my mind. Don't look at me like that! I never liked you anyway. Stop staring! Posts: 40	I would say Aragorn. Everybody talks about him being dirty and not taking baths and being afraid of water. I think that that is seriously wrong. Aragorn has neither the luxury or the time to take a bath. He does when he can, but noticing his occupation, as a Ranger of the North, soap isn't really readily available. So I just wanted to say that people really need to stop talking about Aragorn and his appearance in the movies. It is really not his fault. I'm not as serious as I sound. I'm a really fun loving person!!!!