Eowyn, Eomer.....Their Lifespans? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Mithalwen · 08-24-2004, 10:47 AM

I haven't got the exact dates on me but I am pretty sure the Lords of Dol Amroth lived to be about 100. And I think Beregond tells Pippin that in Gondor at that time it was rare to find a man of 80 who was still hale unless he belonged to a purer blooded house. The lords of the Rohirrim might have slightly longer life expectancy than their people due to intermarriage with noble Gondorian families ...

However Faramir has an exceptionally long life even allowing for his "pure" lineage
and, as I have said in another thread, my theory is that may be a little of the Numenorean grace was extended to him for his role in the downfall of Sauron ... maybe this principle could be extended to Eowyn and Eomer ... though if I remember rightly Eomer's life was long but not freakishly so....

Boromir88 · 08-24-2004, 11:18 AM

Mithalwen, that was a good point you brought up, and I did find the quote you are talking about. We know Faramir and Denethor were of purer Numenorean blood, I mean Faramir did live to be 120. Denethor at 88 was very "hale" as he wore a full coat of mail and a sword still, so if he hadn't of gone mad probably could have lived much longer. A thing that I forgot to mention was most men of Gondor were far from a "purer blood" for in the beginning Gondor had a much larger population then that of Arnor.

Mithalwen · 08-24-2004, 11:29 AM

I think quite a lot of thes points came up in Osse's thread "The Landing of Elendil"...

Boromir88 · 08-24-2004, 11:46 AM

I mean the really tricky stuff about age is you really never know. If you look in the charts of Peoples, the 3 stewards before Denethor did not reach 100, but does that mean if Denethor hadn't of gone crazy he wouldn't of reached 100. No because before that, it would range maybe under 100, to 100, or into the 110's, the first ruling steward Mardil was 120, then we know Faramir is also 120. So it's just really one of those mysteries, sort of why do we have people who are done at 75, but there are those that can live to be 100?

The whole think about the half-elven is another tricky concept. The point about Galador and Mithrellas, their children, are in blood "half-elven" but they don't have that half-elven choice of being mortal or immortal. As explained with Earendil and Elwing, Manwe is the one who puts that "choice" on people, it has nothing to do with their lineage. Whether one parent is elven the other is mortal, by blood you could be half-elves, but Manwe puts the "choice" on people, like Earendil and Elwing's sons, Elrond and Elros.

Mithalwen · 08-24-2004, 12:20 PM

The lifespans would have dwindled since the day of the first steward........ Actually the person I feel sorry for is Eldarion .... unless there were a few longlived Dunedain women around if he was going to match his father's span of 200 ...he would have to either marry late or face a long widowhood...

Boromir88 · 08-24-2004, 07:29 PM

I would be very shocked if Eldarion reached even close to Aragorn's age. Even at this time Aragorn was old amongst the Dunedain. I also think it's funny how we are the only people responding on this thread lol.

Mithalwen · 08-25-2004, 12:17 PM

Yes but with an Elvish Mummy you would expect a reasonable innings.... yes .... does no one else care? LOL

08-24-2004, 10:47 AM	#1
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	I haven't got the exact dates on me but I am pretty sure the Lords of Dol Amroth lived to be about 100. And I think Beregond tells Pippin that in Gondor at that time it was rare to find a man of 80 who was still hale unless he belonged to a purer blooded house. The lords of the Rohirrim might have slightly longer life expectancy than their people due to intermarriage with noble Gondorian families ... However Faramir has an exceptionally long life even allowing for his "pure" lineage and, as I have said in another thread, my theory is that may be a little of the Numenorean grace was extended to him for his role in the downfall of Sauron ... maybe this principle could be extended to Eowyn and Eomer ... though if I remember rightly Eomer's life was long but not freakishly so.... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

08-24-2004, 11:18 AM	#2
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Good point Mithalwen, that was a good point you brought up, and I did find the quote you are talking about. We know Faramir and Denethor were of purer Numenorean blood, I mean Faramir did live to be 120. Denethor at 88 was very "hale" as he wore a full coat of mail and a sword still, so if he hadn't of gone mad probably could have lived much longer. A thing that I forgot to mention was most men of Gondor were far from a "purer blood" for in the beginning Gondor had a much larger population then that of Arnor.

08-24-2004, 11:29 AM	#3
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	I think quite a lot of thes points came up in Osse's thread "The Landing of Elendil"... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

08-24-2004, 11:46 AM	#4
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	The Tricky info on Age... I mean the really tricky stuff about age is you really never know. If you look in the charts of Peoples, the 3 stewards before Denethor did not reach 100, but does that mean if Denethor hadn't of gone crazy he wouldn't of reached 100. No because before that, it would range maybe under 100, to 100, or into the 110's, the first ruling steward Mardil was 120, then we know Faramir is also 120. So it's just really one of those mysteries, sort of why do we have people who are done at 75, but there are those that can live to be 100? The whole think about the half-elven is another tricky concept. The point about Galador and Mithrellas, their children, are in blood "half-elven" but they don't have that half-elven choice of being mortal or immortal. As explained with Earendil and Elwing, Manwe is the one who puts that "choice" on people, it has nothing to do with their lineage. Whether one parent is elven the other is mortal, by blood you could be half-elves, but Manwe puts the "choice" on people, like Earendil and Elwing's sons, Elrond and Elros.

08-24-2004, 12:20 PM	#5
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	The lifespans would have dwindled since the day of the first steward........ Actually the person I feel sorry for is Eldarion .... unless there were a few longlived Dunedain women around if he was going to match his father's span of 200 ...he would have to either marry late or face a long widowhood... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace Last edited by Mithalwen; 04-16-2007 at 01:32 PM. Reason: typo

08-24-2004, 07:29 PM	#6
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Yes, I would be very shocked if Eldarion reached even close to Aragorn's age. Even at this time Aragorn was old amongst the Dunedain. I also think it's funny how we are the only people responding on this thread lol.

08-25-2004, 12:17 PM	#7
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Yes but with an Elvish Mummy you would expect a reasonable innings.... yes .... does no one else care? LOL __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace