Saruman's acquiring of Isengard - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

The Balrog-Durin's Bane · 09-07-2002, 04:28 PM

In my Middle-Earth knowledge, I still do not know how Saruman came by Isengard. Did he ask for it, did the men present him with it because they thought it would do him more good then them, or did saruman use his voice to convince them to hand over the fortress? I might have missed something in the book, or a small description. They said he was given the keys to it by the steward or something like that(i'd quote it but my trilogy is loaned out to a relative) but I was always supsicious that Saruman used his voice as I dont think Gondor would have so easily handed it over to him. Does anyone have any info on this? Anything would be appreciated.

piosenniel · 09-07-2002, 04:40 PM

Here is a reference for you:

Isengard

You can also find it in 'The Tolkien Companion' by Tyler - p. 238-9.

There is also a reference in the Barrow Downs' Encyclopedia in the section on Saruman:

Saruman

akhtene · 09-07-2002, 05:03 PM

Saruman settled in Isengard in 2726, after Rohan had suffered from invasions and Long Winter. Sone invaders,the Dunlendings came from Isengard. When they had been finally driven away by forces of Gondor, the Rohirrim were weakened and grieviously reduced.
Beren the Stuart was only happy to welcome a powerful friend at the border of the allied realm, which was rather helpless at the moment. The more so that Saruman was supposed to hold Isengard as Stewart's lieutenant.
I don't think that Saruman had to use any of his powers to convince the Stuart give him the key. At that time such an arrangement must have suited both (or better say all the three) sides involved.

09-07-2002, 04:28 PM	#1
The Balrog-Durin's Bane Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Waukesha, WI Posts: 18	Saruman's acquiring of Isengard In my Middle-Earth knowledge, I still do not know how Saruman came by Isengard. Did he ask for it, did the men present him with it because they thought it would do him more good then them, or did saruman use his voice to convince them to hand over the fortress? I might have missed something in the book, or a small description. They said he was given the keys to it by the steward or something like that(i'd quote it but my trilogy is loaned out to a relative) but I was always supsicious that Saruman used his voice as I dont think Gondor would have so easily handed it over to him. Does anyone have any info on this? Anything would be appreciated. __________________ "Baruk Khazad! Khazad aimenu!"-Battle Cry of the Dwarves meaning "Axes of the Dwarves! the dwarves are upon you!" "...let Gimli son of Gloin warn you against foolish words, You speak evil of that which is far beyond the reach of your thought, and only little wit can excuse you."

09-07-2002, 04:40 PM	#2
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Here is a reference for you: Isengard You can also find it in 'The Tolkien Companion' by Tyler - p. 238-9. There is also a reference in the Barrow Downs' Encyclopedia in the section on Saruman: Saruman __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

09-07-2002, 05:03 PM	#3
akhtene Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2002 Location: stronghold of the North Posts: 390	Saruman settled in Isengard in 2726, after Rohan had suffered from invasions and Long Winter. Sone invaders,the Dunlendings came from Isengard. When they had been finally driven away by forces of Gondor, the Rohirrim were weakened and grieviously reduced. Beren the Stuart was only happy to welcome a powerful friend at the border of the allied realm, which was rather helpless at the moment. The more so that Saruman was supposed to hold Isengard as Stewart's lieutenant. I don't think that Saruman had to use any of his powers to convince the Stuart give him the key. At that time such an arrangement must have suited both (or better say all the three) sides involved. __________________ Где найти мне сил, чтобы вернуться через века, Чтобы ты - простил?.. А трава разлуки высока...