Magical Middle Earth - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Silmiel of Imladris · 08-14-2004, 04:45 PM

I am going to get it for this, but I stop caring. Actually as I see it Hp and Lotr can be compared in some ways and here they are. Each author spent a lot of time studying mythology for there creations. Every creator in both Lotr and HP can be found some were in mythology. For example elves were believed to live on this earth once but they accended to a higher plane aka go into the west and dissapeared forever. In HP Nicholas Fammel was an actual alchemist who lived from 1330 to 1418. Did he turn lead into gold? No one knows except that he died very very rich. So Tolkien didn't just make stuff up and Rowling didn't just make stuff up and that is why I love them both so much for they expand on a history we already have.

Encaitare · 08-14-2004, 05:19 PM

Interesting, Silmiel, I didn't know that Nicholas Flamel was a real person! My respect for JK Rowling just increased a notch.

Back to the original question: "Could Middle-earth be more magical than it already is?" Well, as someone said already, there are different types of magic. There's the HP-style, wave your wand and say a couple of magic words and get instant results type of magic, and then there's the magic of Gandalf's intagible inner power, and there's the magical power of Saruman's voice... etc etc.

As I see it, the magic of Harry Potter is more fanciful. The magic of the Lord of the Rings is more subtle but so much more powerful. I mean, come on. Gandalf would so own Dumbledore in a fight. Or he could pull his Denethor moves and just bludgeon Dumbledore to death

(Such a massive departure from the book but amusing all the same

)

Isowen · 08-15-2004, 01:57 PM

hmmmmm good point, I am thinking you are right Encaitare, both types of magic (in lotr and hp) are very interesting and we cannot determine which is more realistic, for I don't believe anyone can say, or I am horribly mistaken. Which I usually am.

08-14-2004, 04:45 PM	#1
Silmiel of Imladris Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Looking into a crystal ball- still see nothing Posts: 395	I am going to get it for this, but I stop caring. Actually as I see it Hp and Lotr can be compared in some ways and here they are. Each author spent a lot of time studying mythology for there creations. Every creator in both Lotr and HP can be found some were in mythology. For example elves were believed to live on this earth once but they accended to a higher plane aka go into the west and dissapeared forever. In HP Nicholas Fammel was an actual alchemist who lived from 1330 to 1418. Did he turn lead into gold? No one knows except that he died very very rich. So Tolkien didn't just make stuff up and Rowling didn't just make stuff up and that is why I love them both so much for they expand on a history we already have. __________________ Legolas 20 ales later: I feel something, a slight tingling in my fingers. I think it's affecting me. Figwit on his name: Are you suggesting that I have the wit of a fig?

08-15-2004, 01:57 PM	#3
Isowen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The blackened depths Posts: 86	yes indeedy! hmmmmm good point, I am thinking you are right Encaitare, both types of magic (in lotr and hp) are very interesting and we cannot determine which is more realistic, for I don't believe anyone can say, or I am horribly mistaken. Which I usually am. __________________ I hope Butterbur sends this promptly. A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber -room: Thing wanted always burried, If he forgets, I shall roast him.

08-14-2004, 05:19 PM	#2
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	Interesting, Silmiel, I didn't know that Nicholas Flamel was a real person! My respect for JK Rowling just increased a notch. Back to the original question: "Could Middle-earth be more magical than it already is?" Well, as someone said already, there are different types of magic. There's the HP-style, wave your wand and say a couple of magic words and get instant results type of magic, and then there's the magic of Gandalf's intagible inner power, and there's the magical power of Saruman's voice... etc etc. As I see it, the magic of Harry Potter is more fanciful. The magic of the Lord of the Rings is more subtle but so much more powerful. I mean, come on. Gandalf would so own Dumbledore in a fight. Or he could pull his Denethor moves and just bludgeon Dumbledore to death (Such a massive departure from the book but amusing all the same )