Magical Middle Earth - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Isowen · 08-11-2004, 11:36 AM

well, we certainly have a lot of magic don't we? Gelmir, that's ok, I know what you mean and I don't hate you.

And isn't fifty sort of young in hobbit-years, I am not exactly what you would call learned but I was trying to excavate any possible similarities, and not be particularly accurate.

Gelmir · 08-11-2004, 12:46 PM

Well, fifty is not young or old it's.. More middle aged, well for a Hobbit (if wrong, I'll understand if you shout

). It's thirty odd when you become of age, or is it twenty odd, smur*. I'm never quite sure these days, ah well!SO I say, no, fifty isn't young, well, that's opinion. you?

Smur means this: It doesn't matter, nope, it doesn't matter.
I don't know, I just like to say it, oh and by the way it's pronouced this way: Smur, that's how, it's spelt the same it's pronouced.

Encaitare · 08-11-2004, 08:37 PM

The reason there are so many similarities between HP and LotR is because Tolkien did everything. You can find echoes of LotR in most fantasy works simply due to the fact that Tolkien has influenced so many writers. I can understand comparing them to an extent, but they're just so different that I hate it when hardcore HP fans bash LotR for no apparant reason. The people at the Downs are so much more friendly than the people at the Internet Movie Database boards!

And Gelmir, a hobbit comes of age at 33, so 50 is not old, but it's not a particularly dapper age to be either

ohtatyaro · 08-12-2004, 01:37 AM

Besides, IMO, firstly we have do define 'magic'. I mean, they are different 'magics' in HP and LoTR, I don't think they (magics) can be compared at all

Isowen · 08-12-2004, 08:22 AM

Yey! finally someone who agrees with me on this!

Lady Gamgee · 08-12-2004, 06:44 PM

I for one do not like Harry Potter. And to compare the 2 in the slightest way is an injustice to LOTR. With HP, it's just like a bunch of kids playing around and having fun with magic. LOTR on the other hand, can make you think it's real, like there really is a ME with Hobbits and Elves and such. I watched the 1st 2 HP movies, and needless to say, I was highly disappointed, even though I thought Haggard was pretty cool ... that's his name, right?? Anyhow, Tolkien knows how to grab & hold you with his work, and PJ helped bring it all to life.

Lhundulinwen · 08-12-2004, 07:34 PM

I read hp before LOTR. (Notice the capitalizations...) I like hp still, but after LOTR... well, after reading that book that is your absolute favorite, the one that changes your life, nothing else can compare. LOTR and hp both deal with good and evil, but LOTR, to me, deals with it in a much more complex way. hp is a book directed at children (but children are not its only audience) and therefore has more frivolous, fanciful, magical parts. LOTR does not have many if any 'childish' scenes. The Hobbit, on the other hand, is directed at children too. The goal of the Hobbit is much lighter than LOTR, and seems to me more magical. (Think of Bert (that was his name, right?) the giant compared to the giants in LOTR) LOTR is much deeper and complex and deals with issues in layers, while hp's morals are laid out and more obvious. I will buy the next 2 hp books, but nothing will ever (EVER) top LOTR. But that's just me...

08-11-2004, 11:36 AM	#1
Isowen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The blackened depths Posts: 86	well, we certainly have a lot of magic don't we? Gelmir, that's ok, I know what you mean and I don't hate you. And isn't fifty sort of young in hobbit-years, I am not exactly what you would call learned but I was trying to excavate any possible similarities, and not be particularly accurate. __________________ I hope Butterbur sends this promptly. A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber -room: Thing wanted always burried, If he forgets, I shall roast him.

08-11-2004, 12:46 PM	#2
Gelmir Haunting Spirit Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lothlorein Posts: 62	Hmm, I think not. Well, fifty is not young or old it's.. More middle aged, well for a Hobbit (if wrong, I'll understand if you shout). It's thirty odd when you become of age, or is it twenty odd, smur. I'm never quite sure these days, ah well!SO I say, no, fifty isn't young, well, that's opinion. you? Smur means this: It doesn't matter, nope, it doesn't matter. I don't know, I just like to say it, oh and by the way it's pronouced this way: Smur, that's how, it's spelt the same it's pronouced. __________________ No more knee caps for you!* No more Life for you! And you! No more toe nails for you! mwahahaha!

08-12-2004, 01:37 AM	#4
ohtatyaro Wight Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: here, there, everywhere... Posts: 121	Besides, IMO, firstly we have do define 'magic'. I mean, they are different 'magics' in HP and LoTR, I don't think they (magics) can be compared at all __________________ Reading this sig costs three Galleons, nine Sickles, and a Knut. Pay up!

08-12-2004, 08:22 AM	#5
Isowen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The blackened depths Posts: 86	Yey! finally someone who agrees with me on this! __________________ I hope Butterbur sends this promptly. A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber -room: Thing wanted always burried, If he forgets, I shall roast him.

08-12-2004, 06:44 PM	#6
Lady Gamgee Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Shire Posts: 30	I for one do not like Harry Potter. And to compare the 2 in the slightest way is an injustice to LOTR. With HP, it's just like a bunch of kids playing around and having fun with magic. LOTR on the other hand, can make you think it's real, like there really is a ME with Hobbits and Elves and such. I watched the 1st 2 HP movies, and needless to say, I was highly disappointed, even though I thought Haggard was pretty cool ... that's his name, right?? Anyhow, Tolkien knows how to grab & hold you with his work, and PJ helped bring it all to life. __________________ "....though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater." ~~ Haldir

08-11-2004, 08:37 PM	#3
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	The reason there are so many similarities between HP and LotR is because Tolkien did everything. You can find echoes of LotR in most fantasy works simply due to the fact that Tolkien has influenced so many writers. I can understand comparing them to an extent, but they're just so different that I hate it when hardcore HP fans bash LotR for no apparant reason. The people at the Downs are so much more friendly than the people at the Internet Movie Database boards! And Gelmir, a hobbit comes of age at 33, so 50 is not old, but it's not a particularly dapper age to be either

08-12-2004, 07:34 PM	#7
Lhundulinwen Wight Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wishin' and hopin' in the Shire Posts: 139	I read hp before LOTR. (Notice the capitalizations...) I like hp still, but after LOTR... well, after reading that book that is your absolute favorite, the one that changes your life, nothing else can compare. LOTR and hp both deal with good and evil, but LOTR, to me, deals with it in a much more complex way. hp is a book directed at children (but children are not its only audience) and therefore has more frivolous, fanciful, magical parts. LOTR does not have many if any 'childish' scenes. The Hobbit, on the other hand, is directed at children too. The goal of the Hobbit is much lighter than LOTR, and seems to me more magical. (Think of Bert (that was his name, right?) the giant compared to the giants in LOTR) LOTR is much deeper and complex and deals with issues in layers, while hp's morals are laid out and more obvious. I will buy the next 2 hp books, but nothing will ever (EVER) top LOTR. But that's just me... __________________ ~Just call on me, and I'm there. I'll always be your Sam~