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Old 08-05-2004, 09:14 PM   #1
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Yes. We notices how many likes the nassty, fat hobbit. But what about poor Smeagol, who only wants to please the nice hobbit and was about to really help him until the mean hobbit ruins it all!

"Gollum looked at them. A strange expression passed over his lean hungry face. The gleam faded from his eyes, and they went dim and grey, old and tired. A spasm of pain seemed to twist him, and he turned away, peering back up towards the pass, shaking his head, as if engaged in some interior debate. Then he came back, and slowly put out a trembling hand , very cautiously he touched Frodo's knee-but almost the touch was a caress. For a fleeting moment, could one of the sleepers have seen him, they would have thought that they beheld
an old weary hobbit, shrunken by the years that had carried him far beyond his
time, beyond friends and kin, and the fields and streams of youth, an old starved pitiable thing. But at that touch Frodo stirred and cried out softly in his sleep, and
immediately Sam was wide awake. The first thing he saw was Gollum-'pawing at master', as he thought. 'Hey you!' he said roughly. 'What are you up to?'
'Nothing, nothing,' said Gollum softly. 'Nice Master!' "I daresay,' said Sam. 'But
where have you been to-sneaking off and sneaking back, you old villain?'
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Old 08-05-2004, 09:35 PM   #2
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Tuor, I think we need to show pity for Gollum, Gandalf points out in I believe "The shadow of the past," "The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of men." Which it obviously did, since Gollum is the hero of all middle-earth, without him losing his place and stumbling into the lava who knows what would have happened to the ring. So I think Gollum deserves a lot of pity.

For a movie character to pity, we definately have to give pity to Eomer. Heck PJ just basically tells Eomer, "ahh ya stand in the background there (puts Eomer behind a post) there thats perfect." Eomer gets credit for nothing, heck Theoden doesn't even name him king, they don't even explain the reason for Eomer becoming King. So for a movie character he is one we have to pity.

I might get booed for doing this but Otho Sackville-Baggins, poor old hobbit never got to see his lifetime dream of living in Bag End. Poor chap died before he could move into Bag End.
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Old 08-05-2004, 09:57 PM   #3
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Not a bad point about the S-B's.
Really rather sad about the whole family, even the bitter-sweet final days of Lobelia, who, it turned, out, was a bit of a heroine, and did reconcile with the Bagginses.
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Old 08-05-2004, 09:58 PM   #4
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Definitly Turin! It truly is a shakespear tragety! Also, Frodo a little. Being the only hobbit with 9 fingers...unless someone is born with a deficiency. I doubt it though
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Old 08-06-2004, 06:51 AM   #5
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I guess I also pity Barliman Butterbur, because this is one of the most normal examples of sorrow we see in the book. This is just a regular old man who runs an inn and he clearly goes through a lot of fear and fright. I see how its easy to forget about him in the grand scheme of things but its definitely an example that I can easily relate to. Sure, we all feel pity for the guy who saves the world with much trauma, but we should also feel pity for the regular man who is bullied.
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Old 08-06-2004, 09:32 PM   #6
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Certainly Turin... getting kidnapped and then finding out you killed your best friend ca kinda put a damper on your day.

And Grima, but you all knew that already.
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Old 08-07-2004, 04:29 AM   #7
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Hurin. Imagine being held captive by Morgoth, seeing your wife and children experience so much suffering just because you cursed him, and he cursed your children in return. It was enough being in the Dark Lord's presence, but seeing his curse come to life was most unbearable.
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Old 08-07-2004, 10:37 AM   #8
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Sorry for Saruman

Originally, I would have felt sorry for Sam, thinking him as a person who lost all his friends in a war, but that was bit off.

But I really feel sorry for Saruman. He wasted his wisdom and his power on a cause wasn't so worthy of a war. With that in mind, he was also tricked into thinking that he will gain power of middle earth, when in fact he was just being used, and his part of the power bargain will be entirely forgotten. The way he ended wasn't even worthy of an Istari.

Poor guy.
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