Wormtongue: Birth of an orcfather? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Evenstar1 · 09-04-2002, 09:29 PM

Wow! Really interesting insight, Nar! I've honestly never thought of it (the Grima/Saruman relationship) in this way before. Hmmm. May have to muse on this some, but my initial reaction is to point out that Morgoth is said to have cruelly tortured the Elves until they gave in, whereas Grima wasn't tortured (that we're told, at least).

Grima just always struck me as a weasly, spineless opportunist, in the traditions of Eddie Haskell or Iago (as in Shakespeare's "Othello" character, although Disney's "Aladdin" character works, too). In that sense, perhaps orkish was Grima's true nature already, but it just became more readily-apparent as his life unraveled and his nature revealed itself.

But I may change my mind on this. Again, really cool insight, Nar! [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

09-04-2002, 09:29 PM	#3
Evenstar1 Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Colorado (just east of the Misty Mts.) Posts: 111	Wow! Really interesting insight, Nar! I've honestly never thought of it (the Grima/Saruman relationship) in this way before. Hmmm. May have to muse on this some, but my initial reaction is to point out that Morgoth is said to have cruelly tortured the Elves until they gave in, whereas Grima wasn't tortured (that we're told, at least). Grima just always struck me as a weasly, spineless opportunist, in the traditions of Eddie Haskell or Iago (as in Shakespeare's "Othello" character, although Disney's "Aladdin" character works, too). In that sense, perhaps orkish was Grima's true nature already, but it just became more readily-apparent as his life unraveled and his nature revealed itself. But I may change my mind on this. Again, really cool insight, Nar! [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] __________________ - Eve